----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Dudley" <[email protected]>
Ivan (thats me) wrote: > > We have been down this road before. > > I believe that the reason you could not get a reaction with HCl and most > > importantly with HNO is because you already have ionic silver, that is > > clumps of silver ions. You can't ionise something that is already > > ionised. > > OK, I can buy that. So you are now saying that the HCl in the stomach does > not react with CS? No, the H+ ions will not react with silver, metal or ion, but the Cl- anion will react with the silver metal forming silver chloride. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that the product will be disassociated as I noted below. > > I do believe that particles of metalic silver will be ionised in the > > acid stomach environment, and that clumps of ions will be broken apart, > > but I doubt that at low pH that silver will combine with Cl- to form the > > silver cloride molecule, much in the same way that silver nitrate in > > solution is not combined in molecules but exists as free silver ions and > > free nitrate ions. > > But we are talking about CS, which are charged clumps. If they don't have a > charge, they drop out of the colloid, and will not be drunk. Not necessarily, a particle does not need to be charged to remain suspended, just of colloidal dimension. > If the clumps do become ionized (how they got there I have no idea since > they will not be present in CS that has had any time to settle), they then > become charged, and thus identical to CS particles. So you are saying that > there is no reaction, but it will break the particles apart into the atoms? If the clumps are not there it doesn't matter then, of clumps that are there the attraction among positvely charged atoms in those clumps would be much lessened in an acid, which is high in H+ ions. > This comes back to my original experiment, where I cannot get the CS to lose > its tyndall when added to HCL or nirtic acid. I do not see any action taking > place. Does this not imply that the particles are NOT being broken down? Yes, that would imply that the particles are not being broken apart, but it also implies quite large particle to begin with. As silver readilly reacts with dilute nitric acid I cannot understand why this should be so in this instance, with HCl perhaps the silver chloride is of the same particle size. > Also if you take CS and add an acid to it, it tends to aggregate and the > particles become larger, not smaller. This has been discussed here several > times before. It is a problem with mixing with aloe vera, which I have > found has to be neutralized with baking soda first to make stable. I know > what mechanism makes them aggregate. What mechanism do you propose that > would mke them do the opposite? Well, I have never thought it was the acidity of the Aloe that caused clumping, but rather that it was one or some of the myriade of other compounds of which aloe is composed, and I have found that if such a mixture is shielded from light, it has a longer life span. By adding baking soda, you are changing the chemical composition of the aloe and are perhaps preventing the silver from reacting with the compounds it originally did. > Marshall Ivan. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17/11/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
