Hmmmm....
Bill said:
>We could send thousands of our customers to this list each week as we get
over 1000 hits daily and have an opt in list of >eager readers of 4000 and
growing.
Luckily, the list is not here to serve as a support for anyone's business
interests. We don't treat people as if they need to be led by the hand,
guided gently out of the realm of the confusing into the peaceful bliss of
ignorance. You should realize, as well, that your opt in list is borderline
illegal if it is associated with your website which sells products, or your
brand name products. Forwarned is forearmed.
>It is dificult enough to bring these curious neophites to a basic
understanding of this wonderful natural antibiotic through the >fog of FDA,
FTC and AMA hired bashers and blue schills without the further confusion of
a psyco ward of pseudo scientific >types who love to read their own typing
about nonsense. Some makeup new terms in every new paragraph, much to their
>own delight, I'm sure, but to the confusion and consternation of the new
initiates.
I'm sorry you have such a hard time. It has never been difficult for me to
convince anyone of the benefits, and a clear understanding ( although a
limited understanding ) of how colloidal silver is beneficial, nor has it
been difficult to demonstrate with even the most rudimentary CS setup.
Throw the neophyte into a subject, and act as a guide. I don't view such
people as initiates, because that implies that there is a complete body of
knowledge ( to the letter ) that is has ben passed on in entirety ( thus the
person is initiated, and no longer suseciptible to false ideas, and has a
complete command over the material at hand ). Some people make up words,
other people misuse them, such is the way of life. People have managed to
survive in the world without a mind-policeman so far.
>We get at least a dozen new testimonials each week which would edify and
encourage many listers, especially the new ones >instead of the endless
strings of stories about taking quarts of inferior cs daily mixed with DMSO,
Gatorade, Tealeaves, >H2O2 and a host of other things to chase a common cold
for days.
I'm sorry you don't see the benefits of hydrogen peroxide for use with
colloidal silver, DMSO or even Gatorade. The testimonials that you've
shared with the list ( I'm sure all would agree ) are valueable additions.
I'm glad your customers have a positive experience with your product. You
should be proud.
>There are dozens if not over a hundred people who have overcome hepatitis c
and even AIDS with quality cs. I don't want >them coming to this list
getting all confused. Most of these newbies never heard of CS a few minutes
before coming to our >web site. They just know it works and want more.
Amatuer tinkerers are not able(financially) to drive thousands of visitors
>to their website or to this list as it takes big bucks. For us purveyors
who have CS as not only a hoby but a livelyhood to be >bashed by the
moderator and certain listers seems to be a conterproductive tactic in view
of the stated list goals.
On my sites, I generate thousands upon thousands of hits, and I do it with
almost no capital. I could increase that number ten-fold, viritually
overnight, by offering to sell SOMEthing ( even T-shirts ). People are
generally more inclined to buy than to reach to understand. The idea of
purchasing generates its own energy in our modern world. This is a well
studied phenominon.
As far as colloidal silver goes, I talk with many customers that are
purchasers of vendor products on this list, as well as doctors, chemists,
electricians, engineers, and the general public. One usually finds our
website when they seek balance, and a broader understanding of the
controversies at hand ( which they seldom ever get from any one particular
vendor ). I treat each one as if they are an intelligent person capable of
handling conflicting ideas, not as if they were sheep that needed to be lead
in a direction of thinking. Many of them are far more qualified in their
respective fields than I, and such exchanges are usually conducted to mutual
satisfaction. Although very recently I got torn to shreds by a chemist ( I
thanked him ) based on some terminology use, experience to date has shown
that conflicting ideas, ceaseless questioning, and a relentless search for
truth is a good thing. Sadly, I must say, many customers ask about
statements made by vendors, and I am obligated to point them in the
direction of known facts ( which, by the way, are seldom created by me
personally ). Usually, however, this only results in a greater
understanding, or at least a different perspective. People leave with more
than they came with.
>In my opinion, listers should confine their questions and answers to the
subject of colloidal silver and very closely related >subjects. They should
be quickly removed from the forum after being once warned of violations.
There have to be >judgements made also when a persistent poster presents
only palaver instead of valid information. Psycos should not be >allowed to
run around the cabin saying any dumb thing in the name of democracy. It is
not legal to yell "fire" in a crowded >theatre and it should not be
tolerated to say dumb stuff repeatedly in a moderated list.
Your post, Bill, it can be argued, is a violation of list rules. Not only
are you promoting your product by expounding on how many wonderfully happy
customers you have ( the statement does nothing to further the list
purpose ), but you're also indirectly selling your opt-in list. And, I
believe not only you, but everyone else has been "warned". Tolerance is a
strong point of Mike, much to the benefit of the list.
>In short, Mike, I think you are a bright guy and very knowledgable on CS
and I am sure many other subjects as well. We >are blessed to have you as a
moderator, but I sense you are near deserting us unless things improve.
You terribly underestimate Mike.
>I don't blame you and I just barely care, but I still do, though only
barely.
Here you speak the truth about yourself, which LUCKILY, is not the case with
many listers, including our moderator.
>When you got rid of Stuart who was a "terrorist" you did the right thing.
Recently, we have had someone who associates >himself with terrorism and
Stewart. He should be put in the category of being "with the terrorists" and
sent packing. He is the >most dangerous type as he has some large and
scientific sounding words, some of which are his own coinage and used only
>on his planet. He even has a scientific instrument, albeit a relic, and a
flashy though obscure website. His declared enemy, >Frank, toots his own
horn very poorly, but in a real scientific pissing contest between the two
Mr Q would be like a girl (if >you know what I mean). In short, you are the
pilot on this plane. Instead of cowering behind a flimsy cockpit door and
>having highjackers kick it down and take over the plane, you must take
action and eleminate the offenders. Afterall you are >armed with a gun that
won't even hurt the plane. You should do it in silence so as not to disturb
the other passengers. The list >fights as we are now having are like being
invited to a party of all new people and seeing a drunken brawl when you
walk in >the door. If you are a drunk and like fights, you will pick up a
chair and join in the fun by smashing it randomly over >someone's head. The
party will continue to grow until it resembles a pirate ship with a hold
full of rum. All of the civilized >patrons will close the door in fright and
never stay long enough to contribute or learn.
Just because Mr. Quinto does not speak fully ( he is not obligated to ) does
not mean he is wrong. Just because he is not a crusader, does not mean he
is weak. Mr. Quinto has a clear perspective on many issues, which, quite
frankly, sail light years beyond the mentality of many of his detractors.
He is neither a cheat nor a liar. I don't want to delve into the
controversy, because it does not serve any real purpose. But let us just
say that I was present when it all began, I a remember what happened, both
on and off-list, quite clearly.
>Just make some judgements, eject some psycos and let the pieces fall where
they may. They will know they are gone when >their posts bounce. If you deem
me one of them, oh well. I did my best.
The fact that you called Steven Quinto a terrorist gives you my vote Bill.
The whole issue had settled down nicely, due to respectable restraint by the
parties involved. But someone was just waiting for the opportune time to
strike, it appears.
The fact that you don't really care ( beyond your own self-interest ) is
clear, and has been from the very beginning. The fact that you learned to
adapt to make it look like you do, is typical. The fact that you initiate
power struggles is typical, but you will fail ( as is also typical ). In
actuality, many of those UFO posters, crop circle posters, and all the
"psychos" ( as you call them ) actually DO care. So do the "terrorists"
as you call them ). I'll read the wacky stuff by a caring individual
even if I don't believe and agree with it ) any day over the disgusting
manipulations of a control freak. From them, I always learn something of
value. From the control freaks, I simply learn what I've always known.
I try to stay out of the war, because there is really no purpose in fuelling
the flames. However, I cannot stand by and let a voice that tries to win by
being the loudest voice and most often heard simply go. Perhaps that is my
weakness.
And Mike, to lighten things a bit, here's a quote from the British Classic
Chess, originally performed by the London Philharmonic Orchesta:
<The Arbitor, World Chess Championship USA vs. USSR>
"I've a duty as the referee.... At the start of a match.... On behalf of
all our sponsors, I must welcome you, which I do - there's a catch: I don't
care if you're a Champion. No one messes with me. I am ruthless in
upholding what I know is right - Black or White - as you'll see...
"You've got your tricks! Good for you! But there's no gambit, I don't see
through! Yes I'm the arbitor I know the score... < he's impartial, he's
watching all 64 >
"If you're thinking of the kind of thing.... That we've seen in the past.
Chanting gurus, walkie-talkies, walk-outs, hypnotists, tempers, fists... Not
so fast. This is not the start of World War III... No political ploys. I
think BOTH your constitutions are terrific, so now you know: Be good boys."
- Tim Rice
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