> -----Original Message----- > From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 12 November 2001 6:40 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Question for those using mechanical stirring > > snip
> H2O2 will clean and shine a black electrode at first [very > quickly]...then > blacken it again later on. [weird!] I think the H2O2 works very quickly on the readily available silver particles as presented by the black coating, then works on the silver metal via the fissures and crystal imperfections just like the current, causing an uneven surface on the atomic scale and thus breaking the light reflection properties and the black colour. > > Just exactly what does a CS crystal matrix consist of? > > [BTW, not saying that oxygen content..if there IS an oxygen > componant..of a > CS crystal/particle... is responsible for the color of the > crystal/particle...just that it might have something to do > with its size] > > What do charged silver ions 'grow' around to form a > colloidal particle > [crystal?] if the like charge is constantly repelling other like ions? > [real question...not a statement] There is some reason to believe that like particles can attract...and experimental evidence for multi-ion particles. > Taking into account orientation of some ions with oxygen > atoms in water > molecules. [hydration?]. What happens when ion concentration > exceeds the > water molecules available ? [well sure, particle > precipitation...but what > about that repulsive ion charge? Where does it go?] Pure water has a concentration of about 5 mol, given that six water molecules are arranged about each silver ion that would have 5/6 = moles of silver ions. This number of silver ions would have a concentration of 89.8 grams of silver per litre or 89800 ppm or 89.8 parts per hundred. This is not going to be remotely approached. The repulsive force will not be able to overcome the forces of attraction. > Could several AG+ ions share electrons with one O2 molecule > or one oxygen > atom resulting an 'over' charged particle? Silver oxide is normally 2AgO, but hydration does not include the sharing of electrons. A chemical energy barrier must be overcome for two substances to combine (unless the reaction is spontaneous, which silver ions and water do not display). I believe there is an ordering of silver ions into multi-ion fractal like arrangements (conjecture) when the concentration reaches certain concentrations (first one being around 15ppm) which throws out conductivity readings, and causes a pause in the measured concentration increase when generating past this mark. > > Would it even be possible to make colored CS with absolutely > dissolved > oxygen free water in a vaccuum or inert gas? Would particles > form at all > if there were no avenue for the ion charge to leak off or otherwise be > neutralized? Or, can a pure silver multi atom particle have a > charge, or a > charge of greater than +1? I have generated CS in closed (but vented) containers while bubbling with argon gas, and perceived little change to that using good quality distilled water in closed containers. Multi-ion clusters would probably have a charge greater than 1 but less than the number of ions in the cluster. > Could a clear and colorless CS "go yellow" later on if it > were kept in an > oxygen free environment? I can keep colourless CS in open containers which remains colourless until the water has almost completely evaporated. snip > Ken Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
