After some hunting around in my own archived material, managed to come up
with these two previous silver-list entries which may offer some clues.
Kevin Nolan
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From: "Marshall Dudley" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS>100-500 PPM CS and how it's made.
> That is interesting. The solubility of silver citrate is 280 ppm. And of
> course the silver content of that would be less than the whole molecule.
>
> I wonder what the other part is doing.
>
> Marshall
>
> Kevin Nolan wrote:
>
> > I recall Ivan Anderson stating he had managed to electrolytically
produce ~
> > 1000 PPM CS (probably an ionic complex) via citric acid addition. Here
is an
> > excerpt:
> > "....however it is known that brewing in a citric acid solution enables
one
> > to
> > increase the silver content to more than a thousand ppm...."
> >
> > Kevin Nolan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Russ Rosser" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>100-500 PPM CS and how it's made.
> >
> > > herbalhealer.com also has 500 ppm. If it can't be made electrically
> > without
> > > agglomeration, perhaps it's distilled down from a reasonablly
concentrated
> > > batch??
> > >
> > > --Russ
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Kevin:
"Addition of silver acetate to the diet (130-1000 ppm) or drinking water
(1500 ppm) of weaning rats fed a vitamin E deficient diet, precipitated a
rapidly fatal hepatocellular necrosis and muscular dystrophy on day 14 of
the treatment or subsequently." ( Grasso P. et al, 1967 Exp. Mol. Pathol.,
11,186-199 ). According to the study, the silver acetate ( NOT isolated
silver! ) depletes the body of Vitamin E and Selenium. If the body is
deficient in either ( as in the above reference ) than severe symptoms of
silver poisoining manifest, including increased silver retention in the
kidneys and liver.
This was taken from a "stock" manufacturer's datasheet on silver acetate:
********
POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS
Inhalation:
Mild irritant and nuisance dust. Coughing, sneezing or possibly
breathing difficulty upon the inhalation of large amounts.
Ingestion:
Effect will be similar to but normally less severe than with silver
nitrate. Acute poisoning can cause pain or burning sensation in mouth and
throat, salivation, vomiting, diarrhea, methemoglobinemia, anuria and,
in extreme cases, shock, coma and death.
Skin Contact:
Causes irritation to skin. Symptoms include redness, itching, and pain.
Eye Contact:
Possibly some chemical or mechanical irritation of the conjunctiva.
Chronic Exposure: Prolonged or repeated inhalation, application or ingestion
of silver compounds may cause a permanent bluish discoloration of the skin
and mucous membranes. Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: Persons with
heavy metals accumulation should cease contact with silver compounds.
Label Hazard Warning:
WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES
AND RESPIRATORY TRACT.
********
Now this datasheet is for pure silver acetate. Still, silver acetate is
silver acetate.
Documented cases of Argyria exist for six months of regular silver acetate
usage. In one case, 6.4 grams was the estimated silver accumulation in the
individual from taking silver acetate lozenges.
I don't have any information on silver citrate!
From: "Kevin Nolan" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: CS>Re: concentrated CS and 'aglomeration'
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:03:37 +1100
In digest #1177, Jason/AVRA wrote:
"....When you tell someone a stabilizer is safe, you are risking their
health and
well-being on very serious level. You are giving them the impression that
silver is not a toxic substance in the human body. While your own
understanding may be great, theirs may not. They just might see something
like silver acetate, a "stabilized" silver product ( though of course not a
protein )and assume it is safe to use......"
Jason - would you mind filling in a bit on the danger with silver acetate?
What about silver citrate?
regards, Kevin Nolan [email protected]
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Hi Kevin,
Nothing like a tasty spoonful of silver citrate complex eh?
I have made over 1000ppm as silver using a similar method, the higher
the citric acid content (tried up to 10%) the higher the silver
content can be.
Silver citrate (the compound) has a solubility of about 280ppm, but
the complex produced this way is way different...it appears that the
citrate chelates the silver and forms a complex.
There is a patent on the subject which you may like to read:
US6,197,814
Regards
Ivan
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From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2002 1:47 a.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: CS>low volts CS
Season's greetings, everyone. I would be interested in feedback from
anyone willing to try my own method of LVDC CS brewing. There is no
danger of electrocution, no need for any solid-state devices, no risk
of a $10000 fine for using phone line - however unlikely that is! The
arrangement:
Anodes; two .9999 silver plates, total wetted area around 20 square
inch (both sides of each plate included in area calculation).
Cathodes; four SS 1/16 inch diameter wires, wet length of 6 inches
each. All in a clear plastic 2 litre container, filled with DW to
which around 1/8th of a level teaspoon citric acid is dissolved, plus
a pinch of potassium citrate as buffer (not necessary). A 1.5 - 12 V
stirring motor spinning an oblong plastic impeller at around 200 rpm
keeps the brew in motion. A typical run: starting current is 8.1 mA @
1.51 volts across the electrodes, finishing at 8.5 mA @ 1.17 volts,
over 80 minutes total run time. That's right - a single 1.5V battery
will work fine, although I use a transformer/full-wave
rectifier/capacitor/resistor setup; a legacy of starting out assuming
those higher voltages were needed. Currently, the finished brew is run
through a coffee filter, owing to the grey gunk that forms on the
cathodes (make no attempt to stop and wipe clean wires during the
run). Solution remains perfectly clear, leaves no rust stain anywhere
(maybe the .9999 silver gaurantees that), doesn't plate out on the
PETE storage bottles, has a fairly strong TE with a few sparklies
(presumably contamination from the grey gunk on the cathodes), and a
noticeably metallic taste moderately declining over a day or so, then
remains steady. PPM? Probably in the 15-20 region. Long term
stability - greater than two weeks - is unknown; always consumed by
then. Particular size, number, and arrangement of electrodes as per
above could of course be varied to suit.
As I have previously posted, inspiration behind the citric acid
addition - which dramatically lowers resistance and thus operating
voltage, is from http://www.feel21.com/ohr/vol6.html. Have no real
idea as to the percentage ionic silver produced, nor just how fine the
particulate fraction is, but the perfect clarity suggests very fine
size and/or low particle fraction. Soon I hope to change to a voltage
switching arrangement to eliminate plate-out (the grey gunk), courtesy
of Ole Bob's circuit diagram. That will entail some additional
electronics, but still using very low voltages.
regards, Kevin Nolan [email protected]
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