On Japanese TV last night (English bi-lingual program) there was a very
odd report.  A young man was treated for some growth in his broncheal
tube by a doctor using what they called a silver nitrate needle.   This
sounds odd for starters.   Supposedly the needle broke off,  and the
toxicity of the silver nitrate was what caused the young man to die a
few days later.  

This sounds dubious to me.   Is silver nitrate really that toxic?   I
profess ignorance but the whole story sounds pretty far out to me.  This
was on NHK, the govt-affliated network.    


JBB



AVRA / Jason wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> None of these things are true.  Argyria is not a condition that is limited
> to the skin.  Cosmetic Argyria gets the most attention because it has a
> noticeable effect.  However, silver can be deposited in organs and other
> tissues.  As long as a critical level is not achieved, it is not toxic.  The
> fact that light is required ( and perhaps acid ) to cause a VISIBLE
> disfiguration has nothing whatsoever to do with silver being actually
> DEPOSITED into tissues.
> 
> Both ionic silver and particulate silver have been documented to cause
> argyria.  If the ionic silver remained ionic, it would be impossible for it
> to cause Argyria.  But the fact is that I'm sure that many chemical
> processes in the body can cause the silver to "plate-out".
> 
> It IS true, though, that the studies were done with toxic forms of silver
> compounds.  This was soley due to the forms of silver that were available
> and in use at the time.  It may be that the most minute silver particles do
> not accumulate in the body at all with long term use.  But it should be
> clarified that this has never been established as fact.  Perhaps Francis Key
> et al could conduct a long term study ( 2-3 years ) with a few willing
> voluteers.  Since their measuring equipment is capable of extremely precise
> analysis of total silver content, and their product is unique, it, I think,
> would be a worthy endevour...  In conjunction, levels of selenium, vitamin
> E, magnesium and calcium could be monitored throughout the period.  Take an
> average individual, an individual with a compromised liver, and an
> individual with severe immunodeficiency disorder, and do a comparative
> study.  While I don't think you could take three test cases to the FDA, it
> would no doubt be the first steps in clarifying the whole issue.
> 
> Of course, if anyone wants to bankroll the study, I would love to do such a
> study with a highly ionic silver and a highly particulate silver!
> 
> Jason
> 
> > My guess is that the researchers were biologists and didn't have a clue as
> to the
> > chemistry requirements.  If any of these steps are not done, then argyria
> cannot
> > form.
> >
> > 1. silver must be ionic, such as a compound
> > 2. when silver is in the body, the skin must be exposed to light,
> preferrably UV
> > for seeding.
> > 3. The skin must be alkaline.  Although the blood is alkaline, the skin is
> > usually acid.  So washing with something like lye soap would likely do
> that.
> > 4. The blood must have a developer in it. Caffine is a good developer.
> > 5. The ionic concentration of silver must be high enough to cause the
> particles
> > to grow rapidly enough to get trapped in the skin.
> >
> > Note that with CS, there are loads of seed particles avaiable, and most
> are not
> > at the skin.  So a large quantity of true colloid could also prevent
> argyria as
> > it would use up the ionic silver long before it found it's way to the skin
> and
> > any particles formed by exposure to the light.
> >
> > I bet if they had consulted a chemist from Kodak they could find a way to
> do it
> > repeatably.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
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