Jim: That's really interesting. In fact, fascinating.
It's hard to argue with measured observations, so instead I'd like to ask a few questions! What kind of water is it that you are using? From the conversation, my initial understanding is that it is tap water. However, most tap water I've had experience with would test "off the chart" on a PWT meter. You give ending measurements at about 15 - 20 uS. Am I to assume that the process you are using does in fact precipitate out all dissolved solids? Have you playing with magnets again? *j/k* The fact that the ionic portion of the CS levels off is not so surprising to me. Slowing the reaction down ( this is in regards to distilled water ) can increase the ionic content by reducing agglomeration, allowing one to achieve a higher concentration of silver ions through "proper hydration" of the ions ( for lack of a more suitable term ). However, the result of the measurement of silver ions stabilizing usually means that agglomeration is occuring, easily gauged by the laser. So pray tell Jim - how are you stablizing the reaction? As far as pool water goes, I can only guess at effective concentrations. Someone else may have more definitive data. I would start with a beginning concentration of .5 - 1 PPM and begin monitoring growth in the water. One shouldn't need anywhere near the end concentration needed to fight an infection in the human body, or as high as would be needed in a bacterial friendly environment ( such as waste ). If chlorine is being used in the water, the idea would be to taper it off. Of course, the greatest challenge is measuring everything, including the total silver concentration in the water and organism growth. I know that quite a few people simply gauge by lack of algae growth, but I'd be more comfortable with actual testing of the water at different stages. Kind Regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Meissner To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS Tap Water Dear Jason: Thank you for your reply. Just like you I try to be very careful and attempt to research things before blindly following "standard methods". I purchased several brands of generators and also built "kits" from the available information. I was not satisfied with the somewhat "uncontrolled" results. It seems that with the 27 volt method, 90% of the product is produced in the last 10% of time and if you are not watching carefully you will have either "mostly" pure water or "mud" and silver flakes floating on top of the water. Since I like to measure things, I bought the Hanna PWT and Laser from Trem and did some research. I have come up with a method that self limits the concentration of silver ions to about 15 uS as measured with the Hanna PWT. Even after 5 days of brewing, the concentration stays below 20 uS and there is very little Tindel as shown by the Laser. What does happen is that as the concentration increases, the silver ions plate back out onto the negative silver electrode. > However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. > This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. So, let us say that your above statement does not apply. ( Please feel free to argue this if you like. ) Then what would you say? Would this be a good method of purifying water by precipitation of solids and disinfecting the swimmers? I would prefer using silver instead of chlorine unless there are some negative factors. What would be a proper dilution, 10 to 1? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. ----- Original Message ----- From: SilverMedicine.org To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS Tap Water Jim: Who knows what compounds are made in such a process. However, the increased conductivity of tap water causes the reaction to start out of control immediately. This greatly increases the actual amount of silver deposited into the water. As with using saline solution as a primer, a great deal of silver will remain in the "solution". The end result is a poorer quality product with "too much" actual silver content. It wouldn't surprise me if one discovered that metallic silver was actually plating out in the process, in small quantities of course. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Meissner To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS Tap Water Dear Jason: I do know how to make CS with distilled water. I use low voltage and current limiting. It is about 15 uS as measured on a PWT and has low Tindell as shown with the laser. But, I have experimented making CS with tap water which in my case is well water. I have been reluctant to drink it though. Do you think that the process causes silver to be electroplated onto the mineral content of the well water? I seem to get a brown residue in the bottom of the jar and a thin black coating or plating on the sides of the jar. Does this mean that I am precipitating the minerals in the water? I am undecided whether this is good or bad. What do you think? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. ----- Original Message ----- From: SilverMedicine.org To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: CS>CS Tap Water Diane/all: There's nothing wrong with taking isolated silver and adding it tap water; the issue in question would be whether tap water was used during production. There are plenty of salts in the body to convert silver ions into silver chloride. Not adding CS to tapwater is not going to make one bit of difference. In fact, silver ions are not going to get out of the body as ions, period. At some point, most if not all ions will be converted to salts or proteins, and perhaps reconverted to ions, then back to any number of possible compounds. To think anything else is nothing more or less than unclear thinking. What happens between point A ( drinking CS ) and point Z ( the silver either exits the body in particulate/compound form or is deposited in the body in particulate/compound form ) is the "miracle" of CS. The point I've been trying to make for several years now is that not everyone is at equal risk for Argyria. Joe can take CS for thirty years and have no problem. Joe builds a website that says it is completely non-toxic, add a pinch of salt in the production process because we are impatient... Then, six people get Argyria between 5 and 15 years down the road. I'm betting the candidate used salt in the production process, as he was not even aware of the term Argyria... Judging from the date, he probably used Metcalf's instructions on CS generation ( or some derived from Metcalf's work ). Like I said on a post earlier this year, lawyers are already listing colloidal silver as a topic for lawsuits. Those manufacturers who do not educate their customers on the risk because they don't feel the risk is there may be getting some surprises down the road. It's hard to know because it is impossible to truly know how people are using products. I've been working on some theoretical programs for quite awhile to reduce the risk of Argyria.... This for those with terminal illness who for whatever reason need to be on colloidal silver long term, taking amounts exceeding eight ounces daily of 10PPM CS. While on topic, I also have a problem with the SilverFacts page on this issue, as the site simply plays the propaganda game on the other side of the coin. As far as whether or not cosmetic argyria is a real issue, I deal with people on both sides of the coin... Those who could really care less, and those who have a lot to lose as they make a living on their appearance. I still do not believe that taking sane mounts of quality, "isolated" colloidal silver places one at risk. I keep my own silver intake well below the EPA established guidelines for lifetime consumption of silver. However, I would like to comment on one more issue: By the time silver starts to deposit in the skin, it will likely have already started depositing in organs. When the skin, fingernails, and hair start to show signs of a condition, it is a warning that the elimination system is not functioning properly. Dehydration is probably the first place to look. The body's ph levels are likely a good second place to look. Best Regards, Jason
