Both the silverpuppy and SG6 use conductivity feedback to tell when to shut themselves down, but conductivity and PPM aren't the same thing at the same time and conductivity drops and stabilizes within about 12 hours.
My tests show that the two different values more or less equate 'after' conductivity drops.
Private communications indicate that the SG6 does the same thing as the silverpuppy. "How much" it does it, I can't say. The drops themselves seem to be about the same, but what that actually means for the SG6, I have no way of knowing.
Both Trem and I have spent years experimenting to find the best settings for the generators for max PPM stable CS and came to pretty much the same conclusions as to ideal shutdown point, process parameters and current density for most batches done by most people under varying conditions. There are exceptional circumstances in both directions.
Thermal heat soak plays a small role in increasing the drop factor by artifically increasing the conductivity by 3 uS per 10 degrees F. That's a down side of using thermal convection stirring offset by absolute reliability. [No moving parts]
To further compound the strangeness factor, the conductivity drop is volume related as well, so, a large batch drops more than a small batch even though an 8 oz batch shuts down at the same conductivity as a quart batch.
But using a method of squeezing ions together in a controlled fashion [inverted funnel thermal stirring enhancement method] seems to quick stabilize the CS as it's made making volume irrelevent or the same in a 'localized/pass through' volume and conductivity drops are greatly lessened at the cost of an occasional batch going yellowish. [Which is still 'OK', just not the preferred]
If you run the generator to shutdown, let the conductivity drop, then run the batch again till it reaches the shutdown conductivity...each time you do that, the CS edges towards one to one PPM to conductivity equivalent, halving the difference by about 50% or so.
It may be possible to have a 'batch sizes switch' to compensate, but that would make an overly complicated machine to build and operate when compensation isn't always the same from operating environment to environment. [Water and other unique factors differ from person to person/ day to day]
Two passes in an 8 oz batch shutting down at 20 to 24 uS conductivity gets you to about 18 to 20 PPM
A pint may take 3 passes.
Each pass approximately halves the difference between conductivity before stabilization and after stabilization where conductivity and PPM are about the same.
Each pass takes less time.
When the generator just won't stay running in 'stabilized' CS, you're there...or better.. because the particle to ion ratio isn't a set amount and meters [and generators that use conductivity like meters] don't read the particulate portion.
So, if you have a dense bright TE, the PPM is higher than the target as gauged by a meter or auto off circuitry. It 'can' be significantly higher, but you need a spectrophotometer to tell how much.
I use a spectrophotometer tested batch as a comparison to get a good "idea" of how much the TE is worth assuming that twice the brightness [a perception] equates to about twice the particle count...still no "real" numbers.
Using [conductivity] apples to count [PPM] oranges isn't an exact science but it's close enough for any practical use.
..especially when any dosing recomendation I've ever seen omits several critical factors, one being body weight.
In other words, the recomendations don't make any sense at all...nor do they need to when mere intuition works just fine and guessing wrong [even very wrong] has so few possible negative consequences.
"Very wrong" [that is, wrong enough to even notice that you were wrong at all] , though not 'entirely/absolutely' ""impossible"", is very very hard to do.
Ode
At 05:33 PM 6/14/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>
No doubt a stupid question for those in the know, but as one who has been using a Silvergen SG6 for several months to make 5-10ppm EIS, how do you do "two passes"?<<<<
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: William Meyer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>20 ppm CS
well
on the small scale, the silver puppy claims 20ppm with two passes separated by
12 hours or so.
the silverpuppy uses thermal stirring.
gee it works great for me.
On Jun 14, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
I have a company that is wanting large quantities of 20 ppm CS. I make 5
ppm normally and have made 10 by making two passes through our machine. But
I don't think I can get 20 that way, the particle size simply gets way too
large.
Anyone have any good methods for making large quantites of 20 ppm CS? I
would like to be able to produce at least 3 or 4 gallons an hour. LVDC I
believe would be too slow. HVAC gets it too hot unless using multiple
passes.
Bob, you have played with underwater sputtering I think. How does that
work? How does the microwave HVDC work?
Thanks,
Marshall
--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org
To post, address your message to: [email protected]
Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected]
OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html
List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
"I¹m living proof that your choice of how to respond to a situation constitutes your ultimate power. Each time we squarely face and successfully handle a problem, we become aware of even more options."
--- Naomi Judd - HAD Hep. C and no longer has it!
...Like the martial arts practice of Aikido. Rather than oppose your enemy head on; step off center, blend with the attacker's energy, and redirect it in such a way as to do no harm. It is the application of the principal of loving your enemy...
--- Jason Eaton, http://www.solari.com/action/solari_intro.htm
"As you grow older, you'll find the only things you regret are the thing you didn't do."
---Zachary Scott, 1914-1965, Actor
---
Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 6/7/2004
