I suspect that it's the total amount of silver 'retained' from any source that leads to the 'possibility' of getting arygria beyond whatever minimum threshold exists for the condition. With the 'normal' elimination rate of 90% to 99% in 48 hours, [mice and monkeys..EPA study 1985] retaining enough silver in ones lifetime at 10-20 PPM would be impossible due to the toxicity of the amount of water involved making that lifetime very short. At 20 PPM, it is "possible" to turn blue, IF, you live to be 150 years old and the other risk factors are present and you substitute CS for all the water you drink...and, you drink a LOT of water. So far as I've heard, not one person has managed to do "that".
At 100+ PPM with copious amounts used without a break for several years..it becomes possible, but still highly unlikely. At 1000+ PPM used daily for several years, it wouldn't take all that much water and the likelyhood of turning blue hits the normal risk factors of a silver miner..something like 1 in 2000...that probably also includes some metabolic malfunction. Argyria is extremely rare even under the most likely conditions of getting it. Researchers doing argyria studies expressed great frustration when attempting to induce the condition 'on purpose'. They searched and searched for victims in the silver industry where people had been injesting copious amounts of dust daily for years and found very few. [1 in 2,000] "Dogs excreted approximately 90% of an inhaled dose of metallic silver particles in the feces within 30 days of exposure" Phalen and Morrow 1973 This information was gleaned from following Rosemarys links to actual governmental studies intended to back up her case..back when the links were still there to follow...and NONE of which referred to "EIS" or even mentioned "Colloidal Silver" except on the cover sheet of the collection of the various studies, placed there by the person who collected the studies..NOT by the people who DID the studies. [If read carefully with contexts maintained, they dis-prove the validity of her case.] Particle size and whatever compounds made would contribute to slowing metabolizm and elimination but aren't, alone, at fault. [By my reasoning, if a particle is too big to 'get in'...it doesn't need to 'get out'..but it's also probably too big to stay suspended in the water] Stan Jones went well outside the normal 'safe' rate of consumption of silver for years...well beyond what's even possible at 10-20 PPM. That we know. The rest, such as the other risk factors that account for those who do turn blue compared to the 2 thousand who don't when consuming the same total amount of silver, at the same rate for the same period of time, we don't know. Rosemary Jacobs used some sort of prescription nose drops... for something like 40 years? [or was that 4 years?] If that particular nose drop was even fairly commonly prescribed, there should be other cases. I have heard of none. If "she" could find any others, you can bet she would have. Apparently, Rosemary both abused the prescription AND fell into the 1 in 2000 catagory. I've "heard" of 7 unconfirmed cases of argyria due to making and/or using colloidal silver, a catagory that includes many variations, but no details on how they managed to do it. MSP can be very strong and is lumped into the "CS" catagory. Personally, I find that making CS in distilled water at over 20 PPM..and it still look like something I'd want to consume..is a very "iffy" endeavor. It can be done, but not very reliably at all. Why Stan Jones decided to drink large amounts of black/ brown sludge is far far beyond my idea of common caution and common sense...yet..I assume that hundreds, if not thousands of people have done just that and come to no harm. The MOST COMMON way to make EIS for DECADES has been to use salt. It's only been the past 6 or so years that this method has fallen out of favor...but even then, many people still sell sea salt with generators and recommend its use. [and insist that you can predict the PPM using a clock while at least 2 factors are completely uncontrolled.] You just never hear about what 'didn't' happen. Bottom line: It's much safer to use CS of any kind than it is to go to a restaurant. If you go to a restaurant and eat food that doesn't smell right, the risk goes up dramatically. ..then CS, of any stripe, reduces that risk. Ode At 11:08 AM 7/2/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Terry Chamberlin wrote: > >> John Rigby said, >> > As I recall in my own research - not a single case >> of proven argyria from Colloidal Silver has ever been >> produced. >> >> Stan Jones (the Senate-candidate with coffee-colored >> CS) dissolved silver wires into water using DC >> electricity. Isn't that *colloidal* silver? > >Nope, very likely he had no colloid at all, he was using tap water or >adding salt, don't rememer rwhich. Either way, he was producing silver >compounds, not colloidal silver. > >> The fact >> that the particles were very large doesn't disqualify >> it from being 'colloidal'. A colloid is a particle of >> something that is in suspension in a medium - in this >> case, water - that neither floats to the top nor sinks >> to the bottom. The fact that the water wasn't DW >> doesn't negate the 'colloidal' status. Yes, there were >> other silver (and non-silver) particles also in the >> water that were too large to stay in suspension and >> therefore would not be considered to be 'colloids', >> and yes, I would expect that it was these extra large >> particles that were responsible for his argyria. >> Never-the-less, considering Stan Jones, the FDA might >> argue with us about the statement that Colloidal >> Silver has never been shown to cause argyria. Mr. >> Jones did indeed drink colloidal silver, and he >> apparently has argyria. > >He most likely did not drink colloid. As long as there is ANY choride or >other elements in the water that will react with silver ions, no colloid >will be produced. Why do you think he was producing a colloid? > >> >> >> I think we may need to refine our definition to >> stipulate "colloidal silver made with silver particles >> smaller than *** have not been implicated in any case >> of argyria." >> > >No the definition is correct. We need to specify that EIS has to made with >distilled water, otherwise it is just compounds of silver. > >Marshall > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >
