Hello folks,

A few days ago Dan Nave sent me a private message expressing his 
concern that John Rigby has been "spamming" and perhaps "trolling" the 
list in various ways. I had not gotten around to replying to his 
message before his new outburst.

I'm sorry he lost patience with me and decided to bring his remarks to 
the list. I apologize to the rest of you for this imposition.

A part of his attitude appears to be a misunderstanding of John Rigby's 
business affairs, particularly last week's episode of Dan going to the 
Topica.com home page and seeing -- HORRORS!!! -- a bunch of advertising 
and solicitation for Topica's internet business, and a requirement to 
log-in to their site to visit any list archives.

Well, such terribly commercial stuff *may* be truly evil -- that's up 
to you to decide -- but it has nothing to do with the various mailing 
lists that are *HOSTED* on the topica.com servers, as are two of the 
lists that John mentioned.

It would be just as "evil" as going to the eskimo.com web site and 
seeing the main page advertising their many different services, then 
castigating *me* for *my* commercial conflicts of interest for 
attempting to recommend people visit the Silver List, or complaining 
that I'm a "shill" for Yahoo! Groups because they want you to sign-in 
to visit the home page of some list I might have hosted there.

The remainder of Dan's attitude toward John seems to boil down 
differences of opinion on just how screwed up the world happens to be 
at the moment and his apparent wish that John would just "shut up about 
it..." (My phrase, not Dan's.) 

Dan has been a prolific contributor to the list, with some 450 
generally helpful postings in slightly over two years of membership.

I've had to warn him once or twice before about his impatience with and 
attempts to correct the behavior of other list members. As for my 
slowness to respond to his private message, the procedure is to poke me 
*again*, not burden the list with public complaints. Moreso when they 
are apparently based on a misunderstanding, at least in part.

I do consider member input in my running of the list. I am inclined to 
let people alone if they're not hurting others, and not penalize them 
if their personality is, for instance, a bit more flamboyant than I 
would like. God knows we've had our share of "characters" over the 
years!

It's disappointing when what amounts to a personality conflict disrupts 
the list. 

I expect everyone to take what they want from the discussion and ignore 
what isn't to their taste, to complain to me if they have a problem 
which they are unable to ignore, and not be upset if I don't choose to 
act on their recommendations at present.  

If I receive enough complaints about a member, I will act. If I notice 
behavior that is less than ideal, I will act, as I have in the past in 
John's case, in fact. You won't usually know about it, however, because 
most of the time it happens behind the scenes, with small corrections 
and cautions that never rise to the level of "discipline," or arouse 
any public comment.

I don't believe that even new people need to be "protected" from the 
stuff John has been talking about as long as *others* can share their 
opinions as well, in a polite and civil manner.

Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents...

"... an anti-establishment political philosophy..."

"... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..."  

"...a soul-destroying, victim based philosophy..."

"... Ranting, raving, hatred, cynicism, vilification, boasting, 
posturing, jargon, and self aggrandizement..."

"... this unwholesome current of energy ..."

I judge this to be unfair, and to grossly exaggerate personal 
differences of opinion into some kind of evil plot which does not 
actually exist.

I also consider Dan's current attitude and recent behavior to be a 
discourtesy to me and to our other members. 

If you value your place in our community as much as your many posts to 
the list would indicate, Dan, then I think you'll find it in your heart 
to make amends to those you care about here and to learn to cope with 
the opinions or personalities you find unattractive in a constructive 
way.  

Please reply to me directly, sir, at [email protected] ... as I have 
*temporarily* blocked both you and John from posting. You may visit the 
archives to see what is being said on the list.

Thank you for your indulgence, everyone.

I will deal with John Rigby's equally public, knee-jerk rant in my next 
message... <sigh>

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[[email protected]                        ]
[Speaking only for myself...               ]


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