At 11:40 AM 9/29/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Personally, I don't see a thing wrong with flexible plastic pipes. >> They don't tend to break, crack or permanently swell when frozen, erode with acidic water, clog with calcium, clank with pressure surges. It costs a pile less to buy and install and formulations been changed since the near distant past to be chlorine resistant. > >I agree that the PCV pipes are a good way to go. I have never experienced any detectable outgassing with these pipes. But they will break when they freeze, I had to replace 6 or 7 of them last winter when a gas line broke and the heat in the pump house went out >without me knowing it. ## I've had the same prob with PVC, like totally shattered! > >> >> If you spring for teflon, that's about as inert and tough as it gets...but pricy. [Maybe not more after installation labor than copper. Copper is a LOT of 'work'] > >How the heck do you work with teflon, nothing will adhear to it, and it won't melt. ## It's standard flex pipe /fitting and clamp ring stuff. The newer translucent flex pipe is very good and easy to install. I have the older grey flexpipe in my house with copper fittings. There was a big lawsuit over the even older system that used grey plastic fittings that would apparently get brittle with exposure to chlorine. The grey pipe looks a lot like C-PVC for hot water..very flexible but not waxy like ABS. In the old bus, I used to heat water with a copper coil around the wood stovepipe with an old beer keg as a hot water tank. One day the C-PVC lines froze solid and the woodstove heater built up steam presssure when I fired the stove up for it's morning infra red emmitting floor dance and ruptured the pipe. [I usually used used motor oil for that, but kerosene does the same thing..an Atlanta Laundry stove has an impressive draw hooked up to 8 ft of straight 6" stove pipe] The pipe ran behind a shelf full of clothing...Sounded like a shotgun and blew jeans all over the place. [Blewjeans?] Very stretched out section of pipe, no shrapnel. > >> >> And too much copper can be a health problem. [Fairly rare that it IS a problem, but if you're getting blue stains in the sink, guess where your pipes are going.] >> > >Acid water can sure do a number on copper. If one is getting that, it would be wise to pur an alkalanizing filter on it. > >> >> If you're going with silver liner to protect 'you' somehow, by consuming silver, it might kill your septic tank and the silver won't last in the pipes. So, eventually back to plain copper... along with a dead tank. > >The silver should be inert. Not much is going to react with it, but it could kill bacteria on contact, and prevent any bacteria growth inside the pipes. I would not expect any of it to react or dissolve unless the water is very acidic. ## Good point
Ode > >Marshall > >> >> >> PS, don't pour CS down the drain or down the well. >> >> Ode >> >> At 02:34 PM 9/28/2005 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>> >> >> Ode, >> >> I have a question, I am replacing my water pipes can one obtain silver lined pipes or is this necessary???? >> >> Thanks >> >> Mary >> >> -------------- Original message from Ode Coyote <[email protected]>: -------------- >> >> > If so, something else made it precipitate or it was something other than >> > silver carbonate. >> > Do dissolved silver oxides and hydroxides 'displace' the solubility of >> > silver carbonate? >> > >> > Ode >> > >> > >> > At 01:34 PM 9/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > > >> > >FYI, silver carbonate has a solubility in cold water of 32 ppm. Acros >> > Chemical >> > >lists silver carbonate as light sensitive. >> > > >> > >Marshall >> > > >> > >Ode Coyote wrote: >> > > >> > >> One day I dipped the tip of a toothpick into baking soda and mixed it into >> > >> the distilled water. >> > >> Everything when fine, nice clear CS at 20 PPM..OK cool. >> > >> >> &! gt; >> But then a few hours later it all went dense milky white. >> > >> After a few hours exposure to light, stuff started settling out and going >> > >> darkish grey. >> > >> >> > >> I tested for insoluable silver carbonate by using distilled white vinegar >> > >> to turn it into soluable silver acetate. >> > >> Everything went clear with no TE. >> > >> >> > >> Light sensitive silver carbonate confirmed? >> > >> >> > >> Ode >> > >> >> > >> At 05:02 PM 9/26/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >Hello: >> > >> > >> > >> >Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb to >> > >> >Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM to 5 before >> > starting >> > >> >the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000 ml Starter > >> >plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous ! batches but have found that >> > >> >starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process up and the CS >> > >> >that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works. >> > >> > >> > >> >Ian >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> > >> > >> > >> >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> > >> > >> > >> >To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> > >> >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > >> > >> > >> >Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> > >> >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> > >> > >> > >> >List maintainer: Mike D! evour >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> > >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > >> >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> > >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > >> >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> &g! t; >-- >> > >No virus found in this incoming message! . >> &g t; >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >No virus found in this incoming message. >> > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 >> > >> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 >> >> <<<< >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.11.8 - Release Date: 9/27/2005
