I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an "Asshole", without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion.
Jim Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials > Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, > and > is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any > contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether > it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements > in > what he writes. > > Marshall > > Jim Holmes wrote: > >> Hello listers, >> >> I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without >> comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial >> comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, >> only offered some different data. >> >> This is his response. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM >> To: Jim Holmes >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >> >> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any >> public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. >> The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or >> silver nitrate. >> >> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver >> is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble >> metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in >> vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause >> cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic >> ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - >> nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions >> dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high >> >> school chemistry.) >> >> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic >> silver >> >> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to >> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You >> are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting >> a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption >> ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for >> coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about >> homeostatisis, you will know that >> >> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. >> >> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll >> report you as a harassment spammer.) >> >> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, >> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch >> Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 >> >> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and >> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble >> compound >> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM >> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials >> >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jason E [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM >> > To: Jim Holmes >> > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >> > >> > Hi Jim: >> > >> > I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human >> > tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. >> > >> > Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, >> > in ANY sense. >> > >> > Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was >> > not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium >> > chloride, as another example, confirm that even silver chloride is >> > non-carcinogenic. >> > >> > >> http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChloride >> AndSil >> > verChloride.pdf >> > >> > THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic >> > effect of isolated silver. >> > >> > As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch >> > my body. >> > >> > Take a look: >> > >> > http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm >> > >> > Kind Regards, >> > >> > Jason >> > >> > Jim Holmes wrote: >> >> Jonathan Campbell [[email protected]], >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. >> >> When I mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the >> >> data, although it is run by the United States Government. I have >> >> requested information on the cost to access the database. In the >> >> meantime, can any respond to the following. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response >> >> to my question. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 >> >> print edition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> metallic silver >> >> >> >> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 >> >> >> >> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >> >> >> >> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly >> >> soluble in saline, silver ions are emitted) >> >> >> >> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: >> >> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate >> >> and generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a >> >> carcinogen a chemical substance must be able to specifically cause >> >> a double-break in DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. >> >> Certain heavier metals and their ions appear to be in this >> >> category. >> >> >> >> -end- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your comments will be appreciated, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim Holmes >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >> >> 11/18/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: [email protected] >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] >> >> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:15 PM > To: Jim Holmes > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > > and I apologize for the spamming message, by the way. Ever since my > article > got posted on rense.com, I've been getting a steady stream of very nasty > emails from SeaSilver downlines. I have no tolerance or patience for those > people, and my emotions were perhaps out of line in response to your > emails, > > which were in fact pretty polite. > > regards > Jonathan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> > To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:19 PM > Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials > > >> Dear Joseph, >> >> I asked you a question. You responded with an old reference to data >> that >> is not accessible without a major subscription. >> >> I sent you the opinion of another who has provided current freely >> available >> data. I made no comment about the information, and have never been >> critical >> of your data in any way, and I have sent you, counting this one, a total >> of >> three e-mails. >> >> If you think a polite dialogue consisting of three e-mails, one of which >> was >> a question, an two of which are an exchange of relevant info are >> "spamming >> harassment", then stick your arrogant opinion up your ass. >> >> Your last quote below is for silver sulfide, not metallic silver. >> >> Where are all the lawsuits from people who still have silver appliances >> holding together their bones? >> >> Please take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. >> >> I will no longer honor you with my exchange. >> >> Jim Holmes >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM >> To: Jim Holmes >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >> >> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public >> medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones >> I >> cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. >> >> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is >> partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like >> gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the >> human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for >> silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little >> difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because >> in >> solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic >> high >> >> school chemistry.) >> >> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic >> silver >> >> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to >> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You >> are >> mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a >> refined >> metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was >> locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this >> complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know >> that >> >> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. >> >> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report >> you as a harassment spammer.) >> >> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, >> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch >> Otorhinolaryngol >> 1986;243(4):260-4 >> >> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and >> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound >> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM >> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials >> >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jason E [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM >>> To: Jim Holmes >>> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >>> >>> Hi Jim: >>> >>> I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues >>> that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. >>> >>> Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in >>> ANY sense. >>> >>> Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not >>> carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as >>> another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. >>> >>> >> > http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil >>> verChloride.pdf >>> >>> THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic >>> effect of isolated silver. >>> >>> As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my >>> body. >>> >>> Take a look: >>> >>> http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> Jim Holmes wrote: >>>> Jonathan Campbell [[email protected]], >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. When I >>>> mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data, >>>> although it is run by the United States Government. I have requested >>>> information on the cost to access the database. In the meantime, can >>>> any respond to the following. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response to my >>>> question. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print >>>> edition >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> metallic silver >>>> >>>> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 >>>> >>>> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>>> >>>> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly soluble in >>>> saline, silver ions are emitted) >>>> >>>> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: >>>> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate and >>>> generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a carcinogen a >>>> chemical substance must be able to specifically cause a double-break in >>>> DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. Certain heavier metals and >>>> their ions appear to be in this category. >>>> >>>> -end- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Your comments will be appreciated, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Holmes >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >>>> 11/18/2005 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
