Isn't there a silver list for children? (Grin) I thought there might be one set up. Oh wait. Sorry got that confused with the archives.
E. -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS> Do you have any idea what he is claiming is slanderous? Sounds like he realizes he cannot win with merits to his position, so he is threatening a lawsuit to me. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: > I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. > > In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize > for calling Jonathan Campbell, an "Asshole", without admitting any > wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. > > Jim Holmes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM > To: Jim Holmes > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > > Mr. Holmes, > > Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. > (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) > Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for > your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide > evidence that you have done so. > > If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public > records. > > Sincerely > Jonathan Campbell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> > To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials > > > Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, > > and > > is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any > > contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether > > it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements > > in > > what he writes. > > > > Marshall > > > > Jim Holmes wrote: > > > >> Hello listers, > >> > >> I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without > >> comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial > >> comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, > >> only offered some different data. > >> > >> This is his response. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM > >> To: Jim Holmes > >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > >> > >> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any > >> public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. > >> The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or > >> silver nitrate. > >> > >> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver > >> is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble > >> metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in > >> vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause > >> cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic > >> ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - > >> nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions > >> dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high > >> > >> school chemistry.) > >> > >> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic > >> silver > >> > >> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to > >> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You > >> are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting > >> a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption > >> ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for > >> coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about > >> homeostatisis, you will know that > >> > >> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. > >> > >> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll > >> report you as a harassment spammer.) > >> > >> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, > >> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch > >> Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 > >> > >> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and > >> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble > >> compound > >> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> > >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM > >> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Jason E [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM > >> > To: Jim Holmes > >> > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > >> > > >> > Hi Jim: > >> > > >> > I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human > >> > tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. > >> > > >> > Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, > >> > in ANY sense. > >> > > >> > Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was > >> > not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium > >> > chloride, as another example, confirm that even silver chloride is > >> > non-carcinogenic. > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChloride > >> AndSil > >> > verChloride.pdf > >> > > >> > THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic > >> > effect of isolated silver. > >> > > >> > As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch > >> > my body. > >> > > >> > Take a look: > >> > > >> > http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm > >> > > >> > Kind Regards, > >> > > >> > Jason > >> > > >> > Jim Holmes wrote: > >> >> Jonathan Campbell [[email protected]], > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. > >> >> When I mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the > >> >> data, although it is run by the United States Government. I have > >> >> requested information on the cost to access the database. In the > >> >> meantime, can any respond to the following. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response > >> >> to my question. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 > >> >> print edition > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> metallic silver > >> >> > >> >> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 > >> >> > >> >> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 > >> >> > >> >> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly > >> >> soluble in saline, silver ions are emitted) > >> >> > >> >> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: > >> >> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate > >> >> and generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a > >> >> carcinogen a chemical substance must be able to specifically cause > >> >> a double-break in DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. > >> >> Certain heavier metals and their ions appear to be in this > >> >> category. > >> >> > >> >> -end- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Your comments will be appreciated, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jim Holmes > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> ----- > >> >> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: > >> >> 11/18/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >> > >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >> > >> To post, address your message to: [email protected] > >> > >> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > >> > >> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > >> > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:15 PM > > To: Jim Holmes > > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > > > > and I apologize for the spamming message, by the way. Ever since my > > article > > got posted on rense.com, I've been getting a steady stream of very nasty > > emails from SeaSilver downlines. I have no tolerance or patience for those > > people, and my emotions were perhaps out of line in response to your > > emails, > > > > which were in fact pretty polite. > > > > regards > > Jonathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> > > To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:19 PM > > Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials > > > > > >> Dear Joseph, > >> > >> I asked you a question. You responded with an old reference to data > >> that > >> is not accessible without a major subscription. > >> > >> I sent you the opinion of another who has provided current freely > >> available > >> data. I made no comment about the information, and have never been > >> critical > >> of your data in any way, and I have sent you, counting this one, a total > >> of > >> three e-mails. > >> > >> If you think a polite dialogue consisting of three e-mails, one of which > >> was > >> a question, an two of which are an exchange of relevant info are > >> "spamming > >> harassment", then stick your arrogant opinion up your ass. > >> > >> Your last quote below is for silver sulfide, not metallic silver. > >> > >> Where are all the lawsuits from people who still have silver appliances > >> holding together their bones? > >> > >> Please take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. > >> > >> I will no longer honor you with my exchange. > >> > >> Jim Holmes > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM > >> To: Jim Holmes > >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > >> > >> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public > >> medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones > >> I > >> cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. > >> > >> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is > >> partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like > >> gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the > >> human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for > >> silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little > >> difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because > >> in > >> solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic > >> high > >> > >> school chemistry.) > >> > >> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic > >> silver > >> > >> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to > >> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You > >> are > >> mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a > >> refined > >> metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was > >> locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this > >> complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know > >> that > >> > >> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. > >> > >> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report > >> you as a harassment spammer.) > >> > >> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, > >> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch > >> Otorhinolaryngol > >> 1986;243(4):260-4 > >> > >> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and > >> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound > >> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Holmes" <[email protected]> > >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM > >> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jason E [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM > >>> To: Jim Holmes > >>> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > >>> > >>> Hi Jim: > >>> > >>> I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues > >>> that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. > >>> > >>> Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in > >>> ANY sense. > >>> > >>> Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not > >>> carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as > >>> another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. > >>> > >>> > >> > > > http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil > >>> verChloride.pdf > >>> > >>> THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic > >>> effect of isolated silver. > >>> > >>> As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my > >>> body. > >>> > >>> Take a look: > >>> > >>> http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm > >>> > >>> Kind Regards, > >>> > >>> Jason > >>> > >>> Jim Holmes wrote: > >>>> Jonathan Campbell [[email protected]], > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. When I > >>>> mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data, > >>>> although it is run by the United States Government. I have requested > >>>> information on the cost to access the database. In the meantime, can > >>>> any respond to the following. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response to my > >>>> question. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print > >>>> edition > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> metallic silver > >>>> > >>>> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 > >>>> > >>>> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 > >>>> > >>>> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly soluble in > >>>> saline, silver ions are emitted) > >>>> > >>>> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: > >>>> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate and > >>>> generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a carcinogen a > >>>> chemical substance must be able to specifically cause a double-break in > >>>> DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. Certain heavier metals and > >>>> their ions appear to be in this category. > >>>> > >>>> -end- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Your comments will be appreciated, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jim Holmes > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: > >>>> 11/18/2005 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
