Thank you, Ode! The more I check these kinds of things out, the more I realize how little people understand of how we got where we are. People don't remember that JFK was spying on Martin Luther King, and J.Edgar Hoover had files on EVERYBODY. Look, while I don't care for many of the things President Bush has done, this whole "illegal spying" thing is much ado about nothing. The more I learn, the more I absolutely agree with this policy as critical in intelligence-gathering. I did find it interesting to learn that the New York Times had this story for A YEAR before deciding to publish it last Friday. Wonder why they waited......well, it could have been that on Friday, it was a Trifects for them! 1) The Democrats and the media HATE that real progress is being made in Iraq, and will do anything to avoid talking about that progress. There was a 70% turnout for voting last week, despite fears of being shot at or polling places at risk for suicide bombers. Here, in the U.S., people don't vote if it RAINS, for heaven's sake! The New York Times, as the official mouthpiece of the Democratic Party, simply couldn't stand to give that story the time it deserved, and had to find something to get that off the front page. 2) Whether you like all aspects of the Patriot Act, or none of them, it is deeply disturbing to me that The New York Times would choose to release a controversial story about domestic spying, WHICH THEY HAD FOR A YEAR, on the very day that Congress is going to vote on extending the Act. Nobody will convince me that this was not done deliberately to influence the vote. 3) Funny that the source for this information is coming out with a book soon...... Linda Ode Coyote <odecoy...@alltel.net> wrote: Get real!
So what has the NSA top secret "Echelon" project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .................suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the "Great Society" legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to "eavesdrop" on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. "Domestic Spying" is most certainly not "new" news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word "Echelon"] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing "domestic wire" taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic "wire" taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting "bugs" in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. Ode [not a Rep OR a Dem] At 08:56 AM 12/20/2005 +0900, you wrote: >Amen. > >According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his >repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American >citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the >more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. > >Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. > >I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be >monitored by someone. > >When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. > >On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: > >>Big brother is watching us all. > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005
