thanks for your responses, Sam and Ode...
I actually built my generator based on the very same design Ode is referring
to. I am temporarily using a TDS since that's what I had available, I did
order the Hanna PWT for future use. One question here, can those units be
used while silver generator is "plugged in" to take readings without
damaging them?
I will follow your tips to improve my process. My power supply is a 30V /
500mA AC adapter by the way.
Also, what kind of reading should I be getting on PWT in distilled water to
know that it's good enough? I read that TDS should be below 2, less the
better obviously.
As far as the current meters you're mentioning... I'm guessing they need to
get a reading of amperage and voltage... correct?
In the meantime, before I build up my generator, can I just let it run and
take occasional readings with TDS/PWT to get an idea when it's time to
stop??
thanks for all your help again
From: Ode Coyote <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>making CS - should this be happening?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:09:30 -0400
Sure
Clocks can't work to predict anything unless:
1] you know where you started [a very small difference in water quality
makes a huge difference in the amount of time it takes to get to a desired
place.]
2] you have some idea of the current ramp up rate [aka runaway]..it's by no
means linear like a clock.
How far out depends on the generator type you're using.
If it's a constant voltage unit: The first hour you might get 1 to 10 PPM,
the next, from 10 to 50 PPM..all depending where on the electrical current
acceleration curve you started, as set by the initial water quality where a
mere 1/2 microsiemens difference in starting conductivity between batches
makes all that difference in PPM and the time it takes to get there.
A TDS meter isn't good enough to read those differences at all...not even
close.
Get a Hanna PWT or COM-100 conductivity meter...and/or a generator that
has process control functions.
I found reference to 2 "CS3" generators.
http://www.lwpub.com/downloads/CS_archives/CS3_plans.html
#1] A "CS3" doesn't control anything which means that you have to control
IT.
That takes instruments, knowledge and a watchful eye.
An ammeter and a potentiometer is a good [cheap] start.
Some people get pretty good at seat of the pants/ hawk eyeball operation
on generators like that.
BTW...don't forget to watch the C3. If you do forget, it can catch fire.
[ A fuse on the output that's lower than the transformers max current
rating wouldn't be a bad idea]
#2] A "CS3-12" from
<http://www.antivirol.com/colloidal_generator.html>BIOPHYSICA does control
current...but time is still a huge variable. [At least it stops ramping up
and goes linear once the controlled current is reached. After 'that'
point, you can use a clock but getting TO that point can vary by several
hours]
Monitor voltage to tell where you are. When voltage starts going down,
you're at the point where a clock sorta works.
Up to somewhere around 20-30 uS [microsiemens of conductivity], voltage
can tell you something about PPM...like using a conductivity meter.
uS and PPM, though not the same thing, bear a [somewhat tenuous]
relationship.
Ode
At 10:20 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote:
all right, I'm kind of confused here... I just lef it running for about 60
minutes, I take a reading using TDS meter.. and it reads 1 ppm...
thoughts?
From: "Sam Mureno" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>making CS - should this be happening?
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:05:15 -0700
Yes, this is normal.
Sam
On 4/15/06, . . <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> One of the silver wires in my CS3 generator turns very dark after
15-20
> minutes of operation, should this be taking place?
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