At 10:12 PM 4/16/2006 -0400, you wrote:
thanks for your responses, Sam and Ode...
I actually built my generator based on the very same design Ode is
referring to. I am temporarily using a TDS since that's what I had
available, I did order the Hanna PWT for future use. One question here,
can those units be used while silver generator is "plugged in" to take
readings without damaging them?
## probably won't hurt the meter but it may also not read right. Why gamble?
I will follow your tips to improve my process. My power supply is a 30V /
500mA AC adapter by the way.
Also, what kind of reading should I be getting on PWT in distilled water
to know that it's good enough? I read that TDS should be below 2, less the
better obviously.
## The best I've seen is .2 uS. The worst I'll use is 5 uS. Average is
around .5 to .8 uS
.5 is about half of zero on a TDS meter and 1 PPM could be as high as 10
uS in that range of a 2000 PPM scale.
As far as the current meters you're mentioning... I'm guessing they need
to get a reading of amperage and voltage... correct?
## Get two of them [cost as little as $3 ea], one in series with a
potentiometer and one electrode for current...one in parallel with the
electrodes for voltage. Then play and observe what gives you the best
results. [You'll get the hang of it in a month or two?]
In the meantime, before I build up my generator, can I just let it run and
take occasional readings with TDS/PWT to get an idea when it's time to stop??
## Yup [double the TDS reading for an approximation of uS and use
something like 1 uS = 1 PPM the day after the brew has finished to get some
idea about predicting conductivity drop as specific to 'your' process and
batch size]
IOW 5PPM gets you 10...tomorrow, but might say 18 today.
Make charts of voltage, current and PPM/uS in 10 minute increments so you
can repeat a "good" batch.
...or...let the faces you make in the mirror be your dose guide, use
whatever happens that doesn't look like sludge with a hint of caution and
be happy. ;-)
Ode
thanks for all your help again
From: Ode Coyote <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>making CS - should this be happening?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:09:30 -0400
Sure
Clocks can't work to predict anything unless:
1] you know where you started [a very small difference in water quality
makes a huge difference in the amount of time it takes to get to a
desired place.]
2] you have some idea of the current ramp up rate [aka runaway]..it's by
no means linear like a clock.
How far out depends on the generator type you're using.
If it's a constant voltage unit: The first hour you might get 1 to 10
PPM, the next, from 10 to 50 PPM..all depending where on the electrical
current acceleration curve you started, as set by the initial water
quality where a mere 1/2 microsiemens difference in starting conductivity
between batches makes all that difference in PPM and the time it takes to
get there.
A TDS meter isn't good enough to read those differences at all...not
even close.
Get a Hanna PWT or COM-100 conductivity meter...and/or a generator that
has process control functions.
I found reference to 2 "CS3" generators.
http://www.lwpub.com/downloads/CS_archives/CS3_plans.html
#1] A "CS3" doesn't control anything which means that you have to
control IT.
That takes instruments, knowledge and a watchful eye.
An ammeter and a potentiometer is a good [cheap] start.
Some people get pretty good at seat of the pants/ hawk eyeball
operation on generators like that.
BTW...don't forget to watch the C3. If you do forget, it can catch
fire. [ A fuse on the output that's lower than the transformers max
current rating wouldn't be a bad idea]
#2] A "CS3-12" from
<http://www.antivirol.com/colloidal_generator.html>BIOPHYSICA does
control current...but time is still a huge variable. [At least it stops
ramping up and goes linear once the controlled current is
reached. After 'that' point, you can use a clock but getting TO that
point can vary by several hours]
Monitor voltage to tell where you are. When voltage starts going down,
you're at the point where a clock sorta works.
Up to somewhere around 20-30 uS [microsiemens of conductivity], voltage
can tell you something about PPM...like using a conductivity meter.
uS and PPM, though not the same thing, bear a [somewhat tenuous]
relationship.
Ode
At 10:20 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote:
all right, I'm kind of confused here... I just lef it running for about
60 minutes, I take a reading using TDS meter.. and it reads 1 ppm...
thoughts?
From: "Sam Mureno" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>making CS - should this be happening?
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:05:15 -0700
Yes, this is normal.
Sam
On 4/15/06, . . <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> One of the silver wires in my CS3 generator turns very dark after 15-20
> minutes of operation, should this be taking place?
>
>
>
> --
> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
>
> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org
>
> To post, address your message to: [email protected]
>
> Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected]
>
> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...
>
> List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
>
>
>
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1 - Release Date: 4/14/2006
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1 - Release Date: 4/15/2006
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1 - Release Date: 4/15/2006
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2 - Release Date: 4/16/2006
