Ode Coyote wrote:
14 PPMs on a TDS meter is around 28 uS [units of conductivity] which
is 28 PPM in "silver" water.
TDS meters are fudged to read salt water and the two are by no means
the same.
Further, TDS meters are notoriously inaccurate over any measurement
span, so that 4 "PPM" could well really be 12 even 18 uS which is 12 -
18 PPM in "silver water".
The TDS 3 meter is better than most but still has accuracy and
resolution limitations. There should have been a Meter sheet that
explains how to use the various meters and describes the limits.
The machine turns off at around 16 "uS".
Depending on batch size, that translates to around 10-12 PPM after it
stabilizes, conductivity drops and a meter reading means something.
[NO meter reads "PPM" ]
There is a switch on top to allow making it up to and beyond 20 PPM
and from the sound of it, you went as high as 28+ PPM where energetic
anomalies set in starting at around 25 uS. Going higher than 30 uS [as
read by a meter] gets extremely slow and the drop increases. Even an
accurate meter starts reading way low with a high nonconductive
particulate content not showing up at all.
If for some reason the TE gets heavier but the meter stays the same,
the silver content is still going up at a constant rate as mandated by
Faradays laws but the meter can't read it. 'Probably" something in the
water is kicking things into making particles out of ions. The
smallest touch of H2O2 would do that and other impurities will too.
How was the water sterilized? [Ozone? or another way.]
A TDS meter isn't all that good a meter and had you read about it,
you'd know to double a TDS meters reading, then take that as a broad
approximation....no TDS meter is a great meter.
A conductivity meter such as a Hanna PWT or COM-100 is by FAR more
accurate.
That info is posted by others in a number of places and I make no
secret of it.
Was your "broken" generator the one I replaced [free] all the short
circuiting silver plated parts on from repeatedly filling the
container too high? If so, have you stopped doing that? A silver
coating will most certainly mess it up and all that energy will just
make the coating thicker while putting very little into the water.
I've repaired 2 that were like that in the past 2 years and 2 or 3
others that got wet inside somehow, despite all the seals and vapor
barriers, and were run that way for a long time.
As advertised says that going to 20 PPM and beyond is possible, not
"automatic".
You could buy a different generator with less versatility for more
money. With most, 20+ PPM is not possible.
I'll even refund your money "For no reason at all" and forget to look
at a calender so you can get started, but you'll probably find
yourself with the same problems because it sounds like you are
misunderstanding a few things about the process and the instruments
and the Pup IS working as advertised.
Ode
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Hello all,
I've had the Silver Puppy for about a year and a half and have never
been able to make CS stronger than 14ppms.
It turns off after about 4 hours and instructions said that it turns
off at 20ppms, but that is totally untrue. When it turns off, my TDS
meter shows "4." If I switch over to manual mode and turn it back
on for 2-4-6-10 hours it NEVER goes above 7ppms however many hours i
run it.
I'm really unhappy with this thing, I've already replaced it once
because it just stopped working all together but it still just
doesn't work as it was represented.
Has anyone any thoughts on this? Is there something I'm doing wrong
or missing?
If this is how it is, I'm getting another type of unit. What would
be your recommendations?
Thank you,
Angel
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Hi All,
TDS meters are a poor choise to measure PPM of silver ions. Typically
they have a max reading of 2000 counts and they spec the accuracy at 2%
full scale. Don't look now, but 2% of 2000 is +/- 40 counts! That's
hardly the type of thing you would want to measure 10-20 PPM. Your error
budget is greater than what your measuring!
The Silver Puppy is a fine generator system. and Ode is an honorable
manufacturer. I aught to know, I'm one of his competitors and have
looked carefully at the Silver Puppy. Why am I writing this? Ode is too
nice a guy to have his system maligned for reasons that are bogus!
Regards
Fred
Custom Electronics.
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