On 2018-01-26 18:08, Phil Budne wrote:
Paul Koning wrote:
As for BLISS, there's BLISS-16 and BLISS-11. One came from Carnegie-Mellon;
the other was built at DEC. Both are cross-compilers, but I don't remember
which platform. PDP-10 for both? 10 for one and VAX for the other?
BLISS-11 was written in BLISS-10 (and both were written at C-MU), and
BLISS-11 was the jumping off point for COMMON BLISS. I think sources
for both 'B10 and 'B11 are on PDP-10 DECUS tapes.
Hmm, the sources could be fun to check.
BLISS-16 was a member of the COMMON BLISS family. I don't ever
remember seeing an EXE for it on a PDP-10, but I was never a COMMON
BLISS fan. I hacked on FINE at Stevens Tech (the computing center had
a copy of BLISS-36, the PDP-10 COMMON BLISS compiler, but it wasn't
available to the unwashed masses). When I went to DEC, I worked on
FORTRAN-10/20, which was also in BLISS-10. I was down in Marlborough
(MR1-2) and don't recall ever seeing COMMON BLISS sources.
Right. As far as I know, BLISS-16 only ran under VMS.
I do recall a mention (perhaps in a published article?) of the
existence of a "cut down" version of BLISS-16 that could run on an '11.
That would be uBLISS (or Micro BLISS). As far as I know/heard, it got as
far as working, but it was abandoned as people decided it would not ever
become good enough to actually be used for any development.
I have a manual/documentation for uBLISS, but nothing of the actual code.
I once sang in a chorus with someone who had worked on COMMON BLISS.
ISTR he said he was a contractor, not a DEC employee.
My boss on the F10 project was Sara Murphy, one of the original F10
developers, and I have some recall that she had been involved in a
fancy BASIC for TOPS-20 (I _think_ it was called BP2, but I could be
wrong).
Yes. That would be the BASIC+2 for TOPS-20. It's written in BLISS, and
have nothing to do with the BASIC+2 for PDP-11. Except, I guess, that
they tried to be compatible.
Johnny
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