> > > However, if you are the refresher 
> > > (which is what your question refers to)
> > > then it is not so clear (and maybe just 
> > > plain wrong).  Surely if one has sent 
> > > the INVITE and its retransmissions and 
> > > no response was received, then it must 
> > > be that the other end has experienced a 
> > > serious error. 
> >
> > Not true.  A proxy or something in the
> > signaling path might be down or undergoing 
> > a restart.
>
> If this is the case the the refresher need 
> to go beyond 7 retransmissions. its a 
> violation of INVITE txn. Will this be OK ?????

It does not have go beyond the 7 
retransmissions.  It could start a timer to
refresh at half the remaining time.  Or it 
could start a timer to send the BYE at 10 seconds 
before expiration.
 
> But the session refresh request is something 
> similar to re-invite request with an intention 
> to extend the session's life time..
>
> I feel after 7 retransmissions for session 
> refrest request the BYE must have been sent 
> by the refresher. what is mentioned by Attila 
> Sipos perfectly meet all teh requirements.

It follows the SHOULD of rfc3261 instead of the
SHOULD of session-timer-11.  However I was 
surprised to see the statement still in the draft
since it introduces potential SHOULD conflict with 
rfc3261.

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