Thank you Hadriel for your answer, very interesting.

I CC the list now as I forgot to include it in my previous email.

Regards,
Pascal

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Hadriel Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

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> *From:* Pascal Maugeri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:16 AM
> *To:* Hadriel Kaplan
> *Subject:* Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP ALG and NAT keepalive, solutions for
> incoming calls?
>
>
>
> Regarding your comment about OPTIONS vs REGISTER, I tend to agree with you
> but what is your opinion regarding the load that the clients will add to the
> registrar ?
>
> No not in typical deployments, where there's a "proxy" or SBC between the
> clients and registrar.  Those boxes do certain things such that the
> registrars only get the 3600-second registers as they expect (or whatever
> longer expires time they wanted).
>
>
>
> Let's imagine thousands of clients refreshing, every 20s their
> registration in the registrar, is that a significant load for the registrar
> ?
>
> Nope, see above. J
>
>
>
> BTW, using REGISTER has the advantage over OPTIONS that the server can
> detect if the client is behind a NAT and force re-registration every few
> seconds with a small value of Expires in REGISTER OK.
>
> Yes, that's one of the primary reasons it's used, but it also has
> failure-detection and recovery advantages that Options doesn't have.
>
>
>
> Can you explain what you meant with "double-crlf for TCP" ?
>
> See draft-ietf-sip-outbound-13.txt (
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sip-outbound-13).  The "keepalive"
> to keep a SIP/TCP or SIP/TLS connection open is sending two CRLF's as a
> "ping", and getting back one CRLF set as a "pong".
>
>
>
> This is for the binding opened for SIP. Then regarding the ports needed
> for RTP,  what do  you recommend to keep the  binding opened in NAT devices
> ? Sending empty UDP packets ?
>
>  Most SIP communications today is bidirectional voice/video, so the RTP
> packets going the other way do it.  But when people are muted or for
> uni-directional, most phones send either silence indication (if the codec
> has that), or no-op RTP packets, or STUN packets.
>
> -hadriel
>
>
>
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