On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:



Francois Audet wrote:

Yes, that's exactly my point. If you're given a SIPS URI, use it. Don't downgrade to SIP. Ever. Not at a proxy, not at a UA, not at a user.
I think everybody agrees on this. So we are in agreement.

Well...

IMO its pointless to base any decisions on the assumption that everyone will conform to the above.

It sounds good until a user with a UA that doesn't support sips wants to call somebody that he only has a sips URI for. At that point his choices are:
- give up
- try the downgraded URI

If there is *any* chance that downgrading will work then a lot of users will try it. And even if there is *no* chance of it working some number of users will try it. And its quite likely that often the downgrading will be done by *mistake*, by somebody that does understand there is a difference between sip and sips.

And it probably *will* work in a lot of cases, because a lot of people will want to support both.

So, you can say that users SHOULD NOT do it, or MUST NOT do it, but assume that it will be done anyway.


right.

My intent with some of my suggestions is to reduce the probability that it will work, thereby reducing the inclination to try it.

I think it may also be important to address mechanisms for making it obvious to the sender (as it already is to the home proxy, should there be one that is used with outbound) that it will not work. Separate registrations is one possible way to do this.

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Dean


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