On Jun 27, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:



Dean Willis wrote:

Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:
Well, I'm going to be contrarian here. I'm not convinced that this is
needed.

I think certificate based authentication is a great idea. However, I am
not sure I understand why TLS is not an appropriate solution.

I think it is very simple why TLS is not appropriate. TLS doesn't work
across proxies, and would therefore require the edge proxy to do
authentication.

So what? I think thats what ought to happen. I'd like to see some specific use cases where this can't work with the edge proxy performing the authentication. Keep in mind, we are talking about *certificate* authentication; that doesn't (by definition) required any kind of pre-arranged secret - only a common root CA.

My edge proxy might be provided by MCI, but I might be using a chat service from another provider overseas. This other provider might be willing to trust the certificate for authentication (given that I have a signed cert from MCI, who in turn has a signed CA cert from a recognized op-level CA). However, the chat provider might not be willing to just accept P-Asserted-Identity from MCI as an authentication mechanism, since said provider does not have a trusted peering arrangement with MCI and therefore ANYBODY could spoof my P- Asserted-Identity.

--
Dean



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