Maybe this is naïve, but doesn't this alter the operator trust model? 

I always envisioned P-A-ID (as an example) as a way for a home network to tell 
a 3rd party service "trust this one, they are authenticated", as long as the 
home network and the service had a relationship. Having an edge proxy in a 
visited domain telling the home network "trust this one" seems to turn things 
around.

Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:40 PM
To: Steve Dotson
Cc: Dean Willis; IETF SIP List; DRAGE,Keith (Keith)
Subject: Re: [Sip] Certificate authentication in SIP



Steve Dotson wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> The use case we are looking at is where the registrar is separate from 
> the edge proxy.

Sure. I think that is a valid case.

> While the edge proxy could validate the UA has access to a cert issued 
> by a trusted root, it doesn't necessarily mean the UA has a valid 
> subscription to network services.

No. But, such a proxy could assert the identity it verified.

> The edge proxy may/would not
> have access to this type of registration data, thus the need to 
> authenticate from UA to registrar.

You lost me here. With mutual TLS, the client can authenticate itself to the 
edge proxy. The edge proxy can assert the authenticated identity towards the 
registrar, ala P-A-ID or even better, SIP Identity. THe registrar then 
authorizes access, and rejects the request if the user is not authorized.

-Jonathan R.

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