> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:56 PM
> To: Stucker, Brian (RICH1:AR00)
> Cc: DRAGE, Keith (Keith); IETF SIP List; Audet, Francois 
> (SC100:3055); Christer Holmberg
> Subject: Re: What are we arguing about when we say INFO? (was 
> Re: [Sip] INFO)
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Brian Stucker wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> That's back to the question of  "Is SIP an application 
> protocol or a 
> >> transport protocol"?
> >>
> >> Should the SIP-layer software be aware of and coupled to 
> the state of 
> >> the application that's using SIP?
> >>
> >> If so, then the proper design model is to build a new SIP request 
> >> method for every new piece of application functionality.
> >
> > You forgot about supported.
> >
> 
> Well, it's entirely possible that Supported and Accept will 
> get damned big. I'd still like to have a query-for-specific 
> or "opt in"  
> model rather than a blanket "here's everything I can possibly 
> deal with" model for declaration of extensions. RFC 3265 
> meets that requirement.
> 
> >>
> >> So for example, DTMF: Using this model of SIP extension, we might 
> >> define a new "DTMF" method. It would look just like 
> DTMF-over-INFO, 
> >> except the name of the method would be DTMF.
> >> It clearly resolves the INFO-context question, because now we KNOW 
> >> we're getting dialog- related DTMF over it, and we know what to do 
> >> with it. We know what we can transport in DTMF-requests, 
> because the 
> >> RFC that defines the DTMF extension method will also 
> define exactly 
> >> what payload format to use.
> >
> > INVITE
> > Supported: foo
> > Allow: INFO
> > Accept: application/foo
> >
> 
> But the MIME people aren't going to let you register a new 
> MIME type for "foo" that is specific to each application 
> semantic that might possibly use "foo".
> 
> > 200 OK
> > Supported: foo
> > Allow: INFO
> > Accept: application/foo
> >
> > ...
> >
> > INFO
> > Content-Type: application/foo
> > [DTMF]
> >
> >
> > Where is this broken?
> >>
> 
> Broken in its usage of MIME.
> 
> Let's say we have something (not DTMF) that needs to 
> transport jpg images that are used as soft-key overlays. To 
> do what you're suggesting, we'd need a new MIME-type 
> registration that says "This is just like jpeg, except that 
> it is only useful for keypad overlays".  
> The MIME folks would birth kittens.

I think you may have misunderstood my example here. I'm postulating that
you don't change the MIME type (jpeg) you change the supported/required
header value.



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