>>> a cost which does not need to be incurred.
... Unless you want to make sure you interoperate in all situations, not
just your controlled call center.

I would offer one could ALWAYS do a much more efficient protocol for a
closed environment.  We spend a lot of overhead to make sure all the corner
cases work.  This is one of those corner cases.


On 10/18/07 7:18 PM, "Hadriel Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Burger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:02 PM
>> To: Hadriel Kaplan
>> Cc: IETF SIP List
>> Subject: Re: [Sip] Unsolicited NOTIFY/INFO versus Solicited State Update
>> 
>> Ooooooh.  That¹s right.  Six messages.  Instead of...??? Well?
> 
> You said: "However, even for a 10,000 seat call center, we are talking about a
> pretty trivial number of messages compared to the total interaction."
> By "total interaction", I assumed you meant from a SIP signaling perspective.
> Doubling the number of SIP messages is more than a "trivial number" compared
> to the total number of SIP messages.  Or at least, I wouldn't mind that kind
> of "trivial" increase to my salary. ;)
> 
> 
>> We are not talking about wireless networks here. Baseband networking sends
>> the bits, whether they are being used or not.
> 
> Absolutely.  And we're not talking about IP routers or Ethernet switches
> either.
> I'm talking about SIP servers.  You know, those things you say are ancient
> concepts: stateful proxies, or app servers, or b2bua's, or PBXs/call-managers,
> etc.  I know not everyone thinks those things should exist.  No one's forcing
> them on you.  But they do exist.  And doubling the number of SIP messages and
> state has an impact on them... a cost which does not need to be incurred.
> 
> -hadriel
> 
> 



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