How does the number of seats matter?
Without a single button being pushed, KPML needs a Sub/200/Notify/200 to create 
the subscription, and a Notify/200 to tear it down.  6 messages.
The call needed an Invite/1xx/200/ACK and then Bye/200.  6 Messages.
Both create state for a dialog.

So basically we're talking about DOUBLE the number of messages and state, 
without a button even being pressed.  Now I know I'm not counting all the 
messages for REFER transfers, which are popular in call-centers, but 
call-transfers need new KPML subscribes too.

-hadriel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Burger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Jeroen van Bemmel
> Cc: IETF SIP List
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Unsolicited NOTIFY/INFO versus Solicited State Update
>
> I would buy the efficiency argument if we were talking about 100,000 seat
> call centers.  However, even for a 10,000 seat call center, we are talking
> about a pretty trivial number of messages compared to the total
> interaction.
>


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