In your experience would there be a quorum of incumbent providers who would be 
willing to publish their numbers in an infrastructure enum, available only to 
other "club members"?  Such a thing is essentially the logical conclusion of 
Peppermint, isn't it?  Just in a distributed form.

-hadriel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Richard Shockey
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: 'Jonathan Rosenberg'; 'Paul Kyzivat'
> Cc: 'IETF SIP List'
> Subject: Re: [Sip] New I-D on RFC4474 and phone numbers
>
> In line
>
> >  I agree that something along the lines of enum could solve this
> >  problem,
> >  and I believe there was a draft that proposed such a thing. This has
> >  been discussed since the start of rfc4474.
> >
> >  However, I fear that saying, 'use enum' is kind of like saying, we'll
> >  just use an All-Knowing Oracle, so lets figure out the interface
> >  protocol to the Oracle.
>
> Yea and lets end world hunger while we're at it ...
>
>
> The easy part is the interface (the enum
> >  mechanism). The actual hard problem is how to get those entries
> >  populated. The deployment of public enum has been - shall we say -
> >  less  than spectacular.
>
> "less than spectacular .." now there is an understatement, if there ever
> was
> one. Though private non DNS visible enum systems are going like
> gangbusters
> as TCAP/SS7 replacements all over the place.
>
> I find this entire discussion somewhat hilarious, almost side splitting,
> considering what some us had to go through to get A. get public ENUM
> defined
> B. then see what happened with delegations in the e164.arpa domain in the
> intervening 6 years or so.
>
> The very idea that there is going to be some consensus on who "owns" a
> phone
> number, much less a deployable system considering the various competing
> interests here is a complete fantasy.
>
>
>
> I'd hate for that to be our only solution. Not that
> >  its obvious what else to do; though I do suggest in my draft how
> >  domain
> >  based authentication, when combined with whitelists and blacklists,
> >  can
> >  help.
> >
> >  -Jonathan R.
> >
>
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