Well, maybe that is what is needed. If there is to be anything 
approaching reliable callerid then there needs to be *something* that is 
directly tied to the "ownership" of E.164 numbers.

        Paul

Richard Shockey wrote:
> This is not to say that the IETF could play a useful and essential role. We
> can certainly develop and define the requirements, use cases etc. 
> 
> In addition the IETF can architect a solution but experience tells me that
> deployment and implementation issues surrounding e164 issues will need the
> cooperation of "other bodies" which is where the problem lies. It's not
> really the ITU, in fact the ITU is a much easier place to get things done
> these days. The complications arise with the ITU member states, who
> jealously guard their diplomatic and political prerogatives.
> 
> This was the conclusion that we drew when the Infrastructure ENUM issues
> first arose. We essentially said ..."Here is this problem, this is what we
> (IETF) think, the solution is in your court. Have a nice day." 
> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:49 AM
>>  To: Richard Shockey
>>  Cc: 'IETF SIP List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Subject: Re: Infrastructure issues involving e164 numbers
>>  
>>  
>>  > If there is going to be a solution to the SIP identity problem
>>  involving
>>  > e164 numbers, it will not IMHO be solved in the IETF.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  Interesting view. I obviously does not appear to be an easy thing;
>>  in the draft I called this "There is non-neglectable deployment
>>  incentive challenge."
> 
> 
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