Now, repeat this experience at work.

Big difference. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 14:17
> To: Paul Kyzivat
> Cc: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055); IETF SIP List; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Henry Sinnreich; Elwell, John; Richard Shockey
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Infrastructure issues involving e164 numbers
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Francois Audet wrote:
> >> I think it's time for a reality check...
> >>
> >> In the PSTN, if you are an enterprise and have a trunk to 
> a service 
> >> provider, you can pretty much put whatever you want in the Calling 
> >> Party Number (you can't do that from home with an 
> individual line as 
> >> the CO puts the Calling Party Number for you). The network 
> will pass 
> >> it for you to the other end.
> >
> > Why hasn't somebody sued a SP for providing false identity???
> >
> > The SP *should* be restricting what the enterprise can put based on 
> > the numbers that the SP knows belong to the enterprise. (The SP 
> > doesn't need to care if the number is the precise one 
> originating this 
> > call.)
> >
> > But I knew this. In principle the reliability of the pstn 
> callerid is 
> > nonexistent. But because it is somewhat difficult for most users to 
> > spoof, *on average* callerid is reasonably reliable. Enough so that 
> > many can/do make use of it.
> >
> > (Admittedly the ease of spoofing is increasing, and so the average 
> > reliablility of callerid is probably going down.)
> 
> It's also because the telephony service provider has 
> additional logging records that can be used to back-trace the 
> call if it turns out to have been fraudulently identified.
> 
> Try this experiment: Take your home ISDN BRI line. Add your 
> own terminal adapter with POTS interface (if you don't have 
> one, I'll be happy to sell you one of mine -- I have several 
> that need to be eBayed). Dummy up your CPID field to whatever 
> you want (this works, at least here on Verizon lines). Now 
> place a crank call to somebody very important, and see how 
> long it takes for the authorities to show up . . .
> 
> --
> Dean
> 
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