Hi Henry,

there are two aspects to the story:

* Do you believe there is a problem for security when interworking 
between the PSTN and SIP?
(e.g., in the way how SIP Identity deals with E.164 numbers)

* If yes, do you think that someone should be investigating what todo 
about it?

Don't get hung-up in the details of a specific strawman proposal that, I 
believe, shows quite well some of the challenges around the aspect of 
E.164 number ownership.

Ciao
Hannes


Henry Sinnreich wrote:
>> "Here is this problem, this is what we
>> (IETF) think, the solution is in your court. Have a nice day."
>>     
>
> I believe this puts it in nutshell.
>
> The telecom specific uses of ENUM technology are more appropriately
> handled in the telecom standards organizations, such as the ITU-T, and
> ETSI.
>
> Let's move on and work with Internet and web addressing that I believe
> have the real potential for the Internet standards development and where
> IETF resources are better placed.
>
> Thanks, Henry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Richard Shockey
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'IETF SIP List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Infrastructure issues involving e164 numbers
>
> This is not to say that the IETF could play a useful and essential role.
> We
> can certainly develop and define the requirements, use cases etc. 
>
> In addition the IETF can architect a solution but experience tells me
> that
> deployment and implementation issues surrounding e164 issues will need
> the
> cooperation of "other bodies" which is where the problem lies. It's not
> really the ITU, in fact the ITU is a much easier place to get things
> done
> these days. The complications arise with the ITU member states, who
> jealously guard their diplomatic and political prerogatives.
>
> This was the conclusion that we drew when the Infrastructure ENUM issues
> first arose. We essentially said ..."Here is this problem, this is what
> we
> (IETF) think, the solution is in your court. Have a nice day." 
>
>   
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:49 AM
>>  To: Richard Shockey
>>  Cc: 'IETF SIP List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Subject: Re: Infrastructure issues involving e164 numbers
>>  
>>  
>>  > If there is going to be a solution to the SIP identity problem
>>  involving
>>  > e164 numbers, it will not IMHO be solved in the IETF.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  Interesting view. I obviously does not appear to be an easy thing;
>>  in the draft I called this "There is non-neglectable deployment
>>  incentive challenge."
>>     
>
>
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