> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juha
> Heinanen
>
> Christer Holmberg writes:
>
>  > Since there seems to be different opinions on whether CRLF has
>  > already been implemented by everyone
>
> i don't think that anyone has claimed that CRLF has been implemented by
> EVERYONE.  it has been implemented by SOME UAs without keep param and
> the number if growing.

And there's the rub.  The set of UA's which will send CRLF vs. not, and the set 
of Proxies which will handle it as a keepalive rather than nothingness, is a 
Venn diagram.  We have mechanisms in SIP to solve that and find out which 
portion of the diagram each party is in.  For some reason you don't want such 
mechanisms to be used.


>  > whether an indication is needed etc, what is wrong with what you
>  > proposed earlier, that the draft
>  > would not explicitly forbid sending CRLF even if keep=yes is not
>  > returned?
>
> it should explicitly RECOMMEND it.

No, it really shouldn't, imo.  It should say nothing about it.  If you support 
the draft, then use the keep.  If you don't support the draft, all bets are off 
and your mileage will vary on what will happen.  It's just local policy at that 
point, and you could guess wrong.

-hadriel
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