> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Roach [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: Dan Wing
> Cc: 'Anthony D Pike'; 'Cullen Jennings'; 'Jon Peterson'; 
> [email protected]; 'Francois Audet'; 'DRAGE, Keith (Keith)'; 'Dean Willis'
> Subject: Re: [Sip] francois' comments and why RFC4474 not 
> used in the field
> 
> Dan Wing wrote: 
> 
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From: Adam Roach [mailto:[email protected]] 
>               ...
>               Dan Wing wrote: 
>               
>                       On SIP networks today we have 
> intermediaries modifying 
>               SDP in transit.  It's
>                       happening now, on real networks.  I am really 
>               interested in preserving
>                       identity over those networks.
>               
>               ...
>               
>               I think it's important to distinguish among 
> three classes of 
>               solutions in this space:
>               
>               1.      Identity that works through existing B2BUAs
>               2.      Identity that might not work through 
> existing B2BUAs, 
>               but that B2BUAs can be modified to work with
>               3.      Identity that precludes the presence of B2BUAs
>               
>               ...
>               
>               At the risk of suggesting compromise, I'll 
> point out that 
>               there *is* a way to mutually satisfy those 
> people who reject 
>               solutions in class #1 and those people who 
> reject solutions 
>               in class #3. I suspect that useful progress 
> lies in that 
>               direction only.
>                   
> 
>       
>       Agreed.  And I also prefer #2.
> 
> 
> 
> Ah, I misunderstood your earlier statement --  "I am really 
> interested in preserving identity over [SIP networks today 
> with intermediaries that modify SDP in transit]" -- to mean 
> that the intermediaries were not to be modified. So we're 
> really both talking about SIP networks for some upcoming 
> tomorrow, not SIP networks today.

I'm talking about SIP networks that adjust SDP, and which
can be convinced to pass along some additional SIP headers.

I have been told, in the past, that I'm having a pipe dream
when I suggest that.

-d


> Good. I think that leaves a lot of common ground to work with.
> 
> /a
> 
> 

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