" It does the
signaling translation from REFER to re-INVITE."

How does it do it? What is the exact call flow of this translation?

I ask because in some scenarios REFER degenerate to 3pcc call control.

For example:
1. User1 places a call to target1. Target1 is a PSTN number (handled by
the SBC).
2. Call is established.
3. User1 transfers to target2. This will result in a REFER sent to the
SBC. If the SBC does the translation, it must INVITE target2 then
re-INVITE target1 so that the media stream is built between target1 and
target2.

Are RFC 3725 call flows used? Many soft phones have compatibility
problems with those call flows.

Regards,
Gabor

-----Original Message-----
From: M. Ranganathan [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 25 February 2009 14:30
To: Gabor Paller
Cc: Tony Graziano; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Best practices for transfer

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Gabor Paller <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Once the call is answered, your PSTN gateway shouldn't be involved in
the
> transfer process."
>
>
>
> Well, I understand it works like this (actually, I checked with my
test
> system and it does J. Devices: Snom300, Cisco 2651 ISDn router)
>
> PSTN gateway sends an INVITE to target1.
> Target1 answers with OK to the PSTN gateway and establishes the call
> Transfer starts. Target1 sends a REFER to the PSTN gateway with
target2 as
> Refer-To.
> The PSTN gateway INVITEs target2.
>
>
>
> Since I sent the mail, we made it working with the Cisco. The solution
> involved a new dial peer matching the short internal numbers. If the
> destination pattern matches the internal numbering plan, the dial peer
sends
> back the call to SipX. This way the Cisco gateway can handle the
internal
> SipX users when they are targeted with Refer-To.
>
>
>
> Funny how much the Cisco gateway does not care about domains.
>
>
>
> I am interested in experiences with SIP trunks. Do I understand
correctly
> that the Ingate device handles REFER if the trunk is not able to?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Gabor
>


Gabor, you may also wish to check out sipxbridge in 3.11. It does the
signaling translation from REFER to re-INVITE. It is not production
ready yet quite close.

Ranga
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tony Graziano [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 25 February 2009 11:08
> To: [email protected]; Gabor Paller
> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Best practices for transfer
>
>
>
> Once the call is answered, your PSTN gateway shouldn't be involved in
the
> transfer process. When a call is transferred it is handled by the
proxy, and
> your UA's (phones, target1/target2) should be able to handle this
procedure.
>
> If ANY call comes in from the PSTN and hits an AA, and then can
transfer to
> an extension successfully, it means your PSTN gateway handles the
refer
> properly. Once audio is established with a target, you should be able
to
> tarnsfer repeatedly.
>
> If it is a siptrunking device, Ingate for example, you should make
sure the
> ITSP supports the feature, and your SBC or siptrunk gateway does as
well.
>
> I has "subsequent transfer failures" with an Ingate using a siptrunk,
but
> solved it here: http://track.sipfoundry.org/browse/XECS-2098
>
>>>> "Gabor Paller" <[email protected]> 02/25/09 3:58 AM >>>
> Hi,
>
> I am curious about the best practices for transferring external
incoming
> calls.
>
> The scenario is very common: Source (an external number) calls target1
> (an internal number, SipX user). Target1 transfers the call to target2
> (another internal number). This models a common case of a secretary
> transferring calls.
>
> I understand that SIP-wise, the scenario depends on REFER request sent
> from target1 device to the device representing the source. As the
source
> is a PSTN number, the device representing the source is either a
gateway
> or a SIP trunking equipment which don't know about the target2
internal
> number. What is the best way of getting the gateway/trunking equipment
> to know about target2?
>
> Regards,
> Gabor
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