On 6 Nov 2007, at 10:53 AM, Jerry wrote:

>>>>> I still don't see how to
>>>>> change the style or color of selected text within the box. I'm used
>>>>> to doing this with comment boxes in Pages.


On Nov 6, 2007, at 3:24 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:

>  [...] RTFM.


On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:42 AM, The Org Dork wrote:

>>> Thankfully (and logically) this is not a provided feature.
>>> 
>>> Notes are "notes", they are not formatted books.
>>> 
>>> It's better -- I think -- to spend time on reading and taking
>>> notes, and not
>>> on trying to micro-format words in a short note.
>>> 
>>> If you want to set-off one word, for your own memory, then use your
>>> own
>>> *style* indicators, so that you can remember that you __really__
>>> wanted to
>>> highlight some exact word.
>>> 
>>> In the case that you (the original poster) find that you really
>>> want to
>>> write a formatted response to a piece of writing, open up your
>>> basic text
>>> editor and bold/underline/italicize until your heart is content.
>>> 
>>> A tiny note box is not the place to start formatting your
>>> dissertation.


On 10 Nov 2007, at 12:25 AM, Jerry wrote:

>> It's probably not a great idea to tell me what features I would like
>> or to respond to a reasonable post with repeated uses of sarcasm.


On 11/9/07 6:32 PM, "Christiaan Hofman" wrote:

> Please keep in mind that Skim is a PDF viewer, and we don't own the
> PDF format, that's Adobe.


And now I write:

I didn't tell you what features you would like. That's an absurd claim.

You asked how to do something that the software doesn't do. You were told it
didn't.  I then further commented how I was glad that it didn't, and that if
you wanted to achieve something similar, that you could do that another way.

You are free to take or not take the suggestion.


I did imply -- to all, and by all I mean Christiaan, and Christendom and
every other 'dom  -- that I was very happy that Skim doesn't do this.
It makes for bloatware.

Skim is a viewer, and a damned fine one.  It's a note-taker and a damned
fine one. It even draws swell circles and boxes and arrows.

Skim should keep getting better at those things and not try to become a
mini-word processor or vacuum cleaner or email client.  (Why not?  I want to
email someone a PDF. Heck, that's what I do all day.  So, Skim should have a
built-in email interface, too, right?)

Notes are notes.  They are not bold/italic/underline formatted text.  What
do you want next...text rulers and indents and complete integration with
your address book and calendar?

Sheesh.

Get a grip.  That's why so much software sucks:  It caves to the willy-nilly
whim of every Download-Come-Lately who wants the thing to baby-sit the kids,
too.

There are lots of GREAT Mac OS free and open-source software packages that
provide EXACTLY the kind of thing you are talking about:  application
integration.

Skim supports AppleScript.  AppleScript is for inter-application
communication.  Skim reads and annotates PDFs.  Other applications draw
graphics, overlay them across PDFs, format text, manage bibliographies, and
so on and so on.  And many of those use AppleScript.

You'll do yourself -- and the free software movement -- a favor by learning
AppleScript instead of pining away that your Tetris game isn't also a web
browser.

With AppleScript you can hook up Skim, your PDF notes, your images, your
charts, your mother's favorite cookie recipe and do whatever you'd like.
(That's not far from a true story, since we did use Skim and Pages to edit
and then produce the family cookbook, which was all PDF-based.)


I appreciate a fast, dedicated, expansive, open, slim, and FOCUSED Skim.

(And, yes, I write AppleScript, and so I don't need to bug the world about
how bummed I am that my favorite PDF viewer doesn't also manage my EndNote
citations...I just make sure it does with AppleScript.  And I let Word or
Pages handle the layout...like they were intended.)

And there's that.  


>>> It's probably not a great idea to tell me what features I would like
>>> or to respond to a reasonable post with repeated uses of sarcasm.

I don't care what features you ask for. Go ahead.  Just expect me to
advocate for a slim Skim every time.  There's a big difference.

(By the way, even if I had told you what features you would like, I'm
curious why it's "probably not a great idea"?  Because you'll drive over
here and steal the Garden Gnomes from my yard?  You'll get your brother to
take my lunch money?  I'm just curious, because it seems like a kind of
impotent macho threat.)

Anyway, Skim's good.  Ask for what you want.  I don't have a vote anyway.

-- 
Gary



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