Hi
Thanks guys for the rapid and licid response. I will continue to experiment to
find a workflow that allows me to take advantage of the benefits without the
mishaps.
Is there a quick, keyboard approach to exporting the pdf with markup? I could
probably even handle an AppleScript type solution and bulk convert a whole
directory full of marked up assignments for my classes.
Thanks,
Rob
On May 8, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Jan Jakob Bornheim <jjbornh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Christiaan Hofman <cmhof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On May 8, 2015, at 15:12, Rob MacLeod wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have used Skim off and on for some years, just updated to the new version,
>> and appreciate a great deal of what the program offers. I drift back to
>> Preview at times but then get frustrated again with each new version and
>> return to Skim for a while. This relationship is a little like serial
>> monogamy and I am trying to figure out why I cannot commit to Skim as my
>> lifelong partner (-:
>>
>> The main reason I leave Skim is the clumsy file management it requires and
>> so I thought I would bring this up, perhaps as a topic long since discussed
>> and put to bed. So please point me at the answers, if they exist somewhere
>> on this list or the help pages.
>>
>> The clumsy part, of course, is the need to export the file each time I wish
>> to save a version I can read with another pdf reader or send to another
>> person. I use pdf markup for all my grading, much of the markup of papers
>> and grants I collaborate on, and most anything else students or colleagues
>> send to me for comment. So I guess I am a power user or at least a
>> committed user of pdf markup tools. I have to share the results of those
>> edits with others and most others do not use Skim--and I am not likely to
>> change this behavior. As a result of need to share, I need to save
>> conventional pdf files with the markup embedded and visible. Skim makes
>> this harder to do that I would like and I wonder why the Skim designers
>> figured their convention was useful. Why take a portable document format
>> and make is non-portable?
>>
>> I try to be very careful about my workflow, saving the file each time
>> through the export path, then ignoring the complaints from SKim when I close
>> the file. But I have slipped up and I have lost edits and I have sent out
>> strangely unmarked files to my students. I really should not have to worry
>> about this. Why is the default not to save files with embedded markup? Can
>> I change the default somehow to make it save standard pdf files?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any guidance and counseling I might need to get over
>> my hump with Skim and finally make it the tool I use all the time.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob MacLeod, PhD
>> Professor of Bioengineering and Internal Medicine
>> University of Utah
>> Scientific Computing and Imaging (SCI) Institute
>> Comprehensive Arrhythmia Research and MAnagement (CARMA)
>> Cardiovascular Research and Training Institute (CVRT)
>> 72 South Central Campus Drive
>> Salt Lake City, Utah 84112
>> Email: macl...@sci.utah.edu
>> URL: www.sci.utah.edu/~macleod
>>
>
>
>
> Yes, this has been discussed to death on this list before. Though I don't
> have the links ready. There is also a discussion of it on the Wiki. (And
> there is also no way this will change, so don't try.)
>
> The original reason for this is that when we started with Skim PDFKit did not
> allow saving notes to the PDF. So partly this is about backward
> compatibility. However this is by no means the only reason. There are many
> reasons to have this. It has the notes as a separate layer, so you also still
> have the original unedited PDF. Also, you can view the notes separately. Most
> of all, PDFKit's saving is too often really bad, it can lose you PDF data
> (partly because PDFKit only supports older versions of PDF), or it can save
> it inefficiently, and it often messes up the notes. Also, when it is password
> protected, PDFKit can not simply save it, unlike Skim. Moreover, saving and
> reason in Skim is because of this a lot faster. And then there is backward
> compatibility with files saved by Skim.
>
> Christiaan
>
> Obviously, a number of good reasons. I just wanted to add that PDFKit really
> does save incredibly inefficiently. I have a number of scans from old books
> downloaded from archive.org. The PDFs are usually around 30 Mbytes. Saving
> them with embedded notes or in Preview will bloat it up to beyond 300 Mbytes,
> saving notes the Skim way leaves the size virtually unchanged. On a smaller
> scale, a similar effect can be seen with any scanned PDF. Also, PDFKit has
> trouble handling a lot of non-English characters. Up until Mac OS X 10.11,
> saving a PDF with certain fonts containing Umlauts or accented characters
> would always corrupt the entire PDF. Now with Yosemite, it only happens once
> every while, but it still incredibly frustrating. Once again, that does
> happen with the way Skim saves notes. For me, this was the feature that drew
> me to Skim in the first place.
>
> JJ
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