To me, having an idea of how big a list, particularly Conversations
is, matters. I admit I am therefore reluctant to remove the counts
completely. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your message
though. Are you saying we should ask Skype for a way to separate the
lists? Maybe true, but I haven't thought that would be all that
important really.
And the test scripts I posted today still do allow rapid navigation
through lists, because of the delay before the counting happens.
There is a little bug I'll have to fix though: In the test scripts I
put out, if you park your PC cursor on a list item, the count may
repeat at random from time to time while the cursor is sitting there.
This is what happens when I release something five minutes after
writing it I suppose... hehehe.
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 10:26:22AM +1200, David Allen wrote:
Hi Doug!
In working with the contact manager in Skype talking, I've discovered
that counting isn't relevant. Thanks to that experience, I'm convinced
counting is not relevant, if indeed it ever was. What I want to be
able to do is get to a given contact quickly and efficiently, not
count them. First letter navigation is the quickest way to do that,
even if I have to wait a couple seconds for the list to load, because
the time is made up later when I don't have to be arrowing through the
list in order to navigate it. .
I know you can't separate contacts from conversations and history,
because it is a Skype problem. Is there any way of separating them
with scripting? If there isn't, then they need to be asked for some
relief.
Cheers,
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <[email protected]>
To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] voicemail
It's a tough call. I've laid this out before but maybe across more
than one messsage, so I'll do it again here and see what people think.
Without Skype changing something, we have three choices. I will
outline them below, but keep in mind that, when I refer to "lists,"
they include contacts, conversations, and history. I can not reliably
tell which one is active, so any of the below choices will necessarily
apply to them all.
1. Report an accurate count of list entries. This can be done but
will be slow on moderately large lists. This means, for example, that
it could take a second or more per arrow key in history or a large
contact list. I now use a fast machine, and in a contact list of
178 entries, it does take about one second from when I hit an arrow,
PageUp/Down, Home, or End key until I get a response. During that
time, my machine is busy enough to concern me that it might impair
call quality. This is if I run code that will provide an accurate
list count in the cases I've seen. I just did that test now while
writing this, using JAWS 11 latest release and Skype 4.2.0.163. The
time taken should grow linearly, so a history list with 1000 items
should take over five seconds per keystroke on this machine.
2. Avoid reporting counts altogether. This avoids confusion but
deprives us of even a ballpark figure on how big a list is.
Personally, I strongly prefer having some general idea over having
none at all.
3. Leave things as they are. I've done this so far because it's the
fastest, performancewise, and still gives us an idea of how many items
are in a list.
The lists reorganize themselves as you move through them, so solutions
I usually use, like counting the buttons and subtracting them from the
rest, still would require me to examine all items each time you hit an
arrow key. The Skype API does not even solve this problem, because
although it can count contacts, I'm not sure it can count history or
conversation list items, and in any case it can't tell whether you
have, for example, hidden offline contacts or contacts not sharing
details, etc.
Finally, I have considered adding the word "about" to the counts, for
example, "5 of about 25." This still wouldn't fix the fact that "5"
itself may be wrong, and any language that tries to address that
would, in my opinion, add more wordiness than clarity. :)
So the plan currently remains to stay with option 3, unless someone,
or someones, convince me otherwise. I'm not trying to be stubborn
here; I just think it's the best option we have, and absent proof to
the contrary, I think I've made a good case for it. I actually tried
some tricks this morning to get a faster result without sacrificing
accuracy, by making JAWS do some of the calculating internally instead
of leaving it to a script, but to my surprise, it wasn't any faster
that way either.
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 03:13:55AM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote:
hi, for your first problem did you make sure you picked up the
conversation with the space bar. otherwise the window will not be
seen.
as far as your index issue this is a Skype thing. your not missing
anything Skype is just reporting the wrong index count. once again
Doug if there is no way to get index counts right this really should
be removed. all it is doing is confusing people.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Yvonne Oliver" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:56 AM
To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Skypeenglish] voicemail
hello
i managed to do what jinn said and for a while i read voicemail on
the computer
today not so lucky
when i press control 5 it said window not visible or something like that
also i found 2 contacts in conversations and it said 5 and 6 of 7
i cant find the other 5 any idea where they would be?
also how do i remove someone from recently closed conversations?
one last thing for now why cant i delete history it says save
history for 14 days surely after 14 days the history should delete
automatically
Yvonne
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