Jeff, You hit the nail on the head. There isn't anything on Avalon YET for CMS, hence my comment about it being a lot of work.
My own architectural slant is toward Loosely Coupled Component Oriented Programming and Service Oriented Programming, so Avalon is attractive from that point of view. A lot of work has gone into Slide however, so there is a big trade off. Migrating Slide to Avalon would probably garner some more contributers and would make Slide/CMS more easily used in conjunction with other Avalon based systems. Michael Oliver CTO/Matrix Intermedia 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Office (520)574-1150 Cell (518)378-6154 Jeff Linwood said: > What would Avalon get you for a CMS beyond a pluggable way to add > components to your CMS? Is there an open source CMS based on Avalon? > > Thanks, > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:23 PM > Subject: RE: Who is using slide in production environment? > > >> Excellent response, we are also evaluating other infrastructures for >> use in our applications. WebDAV IS part of our needs so Slide is >> attractive for that reason. We are looking at OpenCMS and Avalon as >> alternatives. A CMS based on Avalon seems to be the best >> Architectural decision, but a lot of work. Perhaps Migrating Slide to >> Avalon would achieve the best of both worlds. >> >> Michael Oliver >> CTO/Matrix Intermedia >> 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. >> Tucson, AZ 85747 >> Office (520)574-1150 >> Cell (518)378-6154 >> >> >> James Higginbotham said: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Disclaimer: I'm not a commiter nor do I represent the Slide team, >> but here are my findings as a user of the framework. >> > >> > There are mailing list archives that discuss the status, but >> basically all of the team members are busy with other projects. The >> project needs a dedicated lead with commit and version rollout >> status, but before you can do that you have to submit patches to the >> project to fix bugs. Once they see that all is well with you, you >> can get commit status and then hopefully help stabilize the product >> and maybe get a 2.0 rollout done. Slide is a great project with a >> lot of effort out into it that has been neglected recently. I think >> with some dedicated help, it could become a fantastic framework - >> time which most on this list (including myself) just can't dedicate >> right now. >> > >> > I've found that it makes a great DAV/Delta-V server framework with >> nice things like interceptors on the server side for hooking other >> processes into the framework. If you don't need that, you can decide >> whether a pre-canned solution will work better since this project >> gets little attention code/bug wise. Also, the framework is really >> good for document management via DAV, or dedicated content >> management without DAV with a lot of work to make it do what you >> want. It has no good examples to learn from, other than a >> non-thread-safe struts admin client that is mostly-read-only. Most >> projects built off of slide are for internal intranet or commercial >> products, so you will find mostly consumers rather than producers to >> the framework (beyond basic bug fixes). The framework was built to >> facilitate DAV, and later DeltaV, but was never really architected >> for a true CMS application framework. Much of the frameowk requires >> you to be in the same classloader (no cross-VM invocation framework) >> and all of the versioning code is tied to HTTP and the DAV servlet >> that handles incoming DAV/DeltaV requests. There is some work around >> making this framework handle the upcoming JSRs (170 and 147 *I >> think*) that define a CMS API. The webdav client API uses HTTP >> commons client and is stable, but a little tough to figure out (the >> API was built around the spec rather than a convienant API). I think >> Slide is the most neglected project @ Jakarta, and I hope this >> changes soon. >> > >> > In the past I submitted a proposal for a revised architecture for >> Slide, from the perspective of an architect who is trying to use >> Slide as a CMS kernel in a webapp (webdav being nice but not a >> requirement for my needs). Here is the MARC link: >> > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03616.html >> > >> > Followup discussions are shown at the bottom and clarify a few >> issues, specifically: >> > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03618.html >> > >> > Hope this helps you determine if this framework will work for you. >> Take a look, give it a spin, and see what it can do for you. If it >> does most of what you want, you can contribute a little work and get >> it to do what you want it to do without rebuilding from scratch. I >> hope to do that soon when time allows, but for now I have to locate >> a precanned CMS solution as I have not the time to dedicate. Slide >> will make a wonderful doc mgmt framework (like MS SharePoint) and, >> with a little help, a CMS framework. >> > >> > Regards, >> > James >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Michael Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:12 AM >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Subject: Re: Who is using slide in production environment? >> >> >> >> >> >> Ditto on Martin's request with the added question, what is >> >> the state of the development of Slide, it seems to be stalled and >> no progress to speak of in the last 18 months or so. >> >> >> >> Michael Oliver >> >> CTO/Matrix Intermedia >> >> 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. >> >> Tucson, AZ 85747 >> >> Office (520)574-1150 >> >> Cell (518)378-6154 >> >> >> >> >> >> Martin Taal said: >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > We are considering to use slide as a content repository >> >> layer in our >> >> > application framework. Although I see some modest traffic on the >> >> mailing list I am not sure if and how slide is used in practice. >> >> > >> >> > So my question is: is there a list of live >> >> products/projects in which >> >> > slide is being used? If not, I am just interested from >> >> others if and >> >> > how they are using slide in live products/projects. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > With Regards, Martin Taal >> >> > >> >> > Springsite >> >> > Barchman Wuytierslaan 72b >> >> > 3818 LK Amersfoort >> >> > tel: +31 (0)33 462 02 07 >> >> > fax: +31 (0)33 463 77 12 >> >> > Mobile: +31 (0)6 288 48 943 >> >> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > web: www.springsite.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To > unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
