begin Peter Rundle quotation:

> Well I can't really flame you on mozilla mail cause I like it too
> especially now 0.9.4 has "total" and "unread" for mail folders.
> (Sometimes the refresh on the message pane is a bit slow though).
> 
> BUT, mozilla the browser needs some work. I doesn't do java apps in
> linux, oh sure it's meant to but it doesn't.

I'll be curious to find out if its OJI interface is useful, as soon as a
decent open-source JVM exists.  Not _very_ curious, because I have yet 
to see a really useful Java app (other than Mindterm, which I don't
really need).

> It can't do https either it seems....

As a point of information, I use httpd on Mozilla 0.9.3 pretty much all
day long.  Works flawlessly -- with no NSA-mandated crippling of the
crypto functions.

> ...and some sites imagemap hrefs just don't work. 

I hadn't tested that until you wrote the above.  http://www.ihip.com/ 
seems to work fine.  Ditto http://lightsphere.com/dev/ismaps/
Ditto http://www.parliament.ge/~nino/georgia.html  Ditto
http://persia.org/imagemap/imagemap.html 

I don't use imagemaps much; I'd be curious to see some examples of ones
that don't work on Mozilla 0.9.x but do on some other browsers.

> Also needs about 3 more cups of performance added to it. (though once
> it is launched it renders pages pretty darn quick, and I love the
> "block images from this server" option. Get's rid of those flashing
> adds real quick).

Yes.  Opening additional Mozilla windows is also pretty darned slow.
Galeon and Skipstone are a lot faster at that.

> Does anyone know of / use a *good* graphical browser for linux, (a
> serious competitor to IE on Doze), like it does Java apps, handles https,
> doesn't screw up framesets by getting the sizes wrong. 

I don't consider MSIE to be suitable at all.  I can't even remember all
the objectionable bits, but here's what I was able to recall recently:

No other browser had a cached so poorly implemented that it crippled            
disk performance.  None had a cookies implementation completely                 
uncontrollable by setting file permissions.  No others had the gall to          
advertise themselves on every printout.  No others introduced ActiveX           
holes in your system security.                                                  

> Java script works properly

You mean you're able to shut it off?  ;->

Anyhow:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#linuxbrowser

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