> First of all thanks for giving me an absolutely normal reply.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've tried all of these suggestions. Fine for me but I don't need to
> handhold users hands for something that should already have been
> resolved. Is this your business model in Singapore....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I had very specific reasons for asking for help and in the manner that I
> did.
>
> First. I wanted to find out if their was any real support for
> Debian/Ubuntu in Singapore.
>
> Second. Would/could the LUGS people provide the correct solution?
>
> I don't fix problems for end users by giving them difficult work a
> round. Remember I'm not giving them a LIVE CD and telling them to try it
> out. I'm installing it correctly and correctly using Singapore as the
> location.
>
> Would/could the LUGS people provide the correct solution?
>
> The correct solution if you really care about Linus/Debian is to get the
> mirror working so that the customer/end user has the correct kind of
> experience. First time. An experience that is possible with Linux and
> makes it so valuable and an experience that is not possible with
> Microsoft.
>
> Bad mirrors. I don't wonder that people in Singapore don't accept Linux.
>
> As regards Ubuntu I provided LUGS users with routing information, by mtr
> at this point what more do you need?
>
> For Debian I ping the server and get a response. Mtr does not work.
> Apt-get does not work. Both Starhub and Singnet. I suspect the server is
> not up. Note: Firewall disabled. /sbin/iptables -P INPUT
> ACCEPT. /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT. /sbin/iptables -F. My computer
> is right on the edge of the Internet.
>
> Normally I would talk to the administrator of the mirror? I guess in
> Singapore he or she must be a recluse or something. I'd like to find out
> what kind of traffic they experience when things are working right so
> that pricing for an alternative mirror could be determined.
>
> A prestigious job like hosting Debian or Ubuntu requires four to five
> 9's of reliability for the server. Shouldn't be hard. For the Internet
> provider. Three 9's? Haven't Singnet and Starhub agreed to give at least
> three 9's of reliability on these services.
>
> Finally. Remember potential students all around the region install
> Ubuntu/Debian from the Internet. So far the institution providing the
> mirror in Singapore looks like a good institution to avoid going to.
> Linux or not.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlton Lee
Dear Carlton,
Your post is totally uncalled for. Given that all these mirrors are
maintained on a volunteer basis, and many of us responded to your
request for help on a good will basis, there is absolutely no reason why
you need to flame the entire community.
Your initial post and subsequent replies were vague ("explain the
mirror"?!?!) on your exact difficulties, yet you expect timely and
accurate remedies to your situation. Given that you seem to have at
least *some* technical ability, we would have expected to see details
from your troubleshooting analysis. But instead of providing these, you
provided a bunch of latency timings. These are useless in
troubleshooting, since every server have different bandwidth and load,
and every broadband provider have a different peering agreement. Then
you immediately accused everyone of not helping you out. Are you trying
to be funny?
If you wanted to have a flamewar with the administrators of these
mirrors, you could have asked. They would most probably simply blacklist
you though. The fact is, the mirrors are all maintained by a "team" of
at most 2 people each, on a volunteer basis. Out of good will to do
something for the community. Prestige is not even in the picture --
their names are not emblazoned on the mirror sites. All in all, they
seem to be doing more for the community than you are, with your
unfounded accusations and flamebait.
Go back under your bridge, troll
Junhao
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