On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Chris Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Chris Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Soh Kam Yung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > (http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g)
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Note: 'free' below means 'free speech', not 'free beer'.  Apparently,
> >> > you cannot write a GPL'd application for the iPhone (rumour?).
> >> > =====
> >> > 5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G
> >> > Submitted by johns. on 2008-07-10 09:26 PM. Community
> >> >
> >> > The 5 real reasons to avoid iPhone 3G:
> >> >
> >> >    * iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a
> >> > tax to Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't
> >> > be on everyone's phones.
> >>
> >> Probably true. Though a compelling counterargument is that Apple wants
> >> to maintain the standards of iPhone at a high level, thus having such
> >> rights allow Apple to eliminate trash application. I'm not sure about
> >> all these 'tax' thing, what I know is that the level of penetration of
> >> iPhone 3G is gonna be pretty high soon enough that many companies
> >> would start writing software for iPhone 3G.
> >
> > Bazaar, vs Cathedral. User control, vs MNC (or centralized entity)
> control.
> > So it's good enough that "many companies" will be able to write software
> for
> > the iphone?
>
> What I'm saying is it doesn't matter either way for Apple, people are
> still gonna flock to them; developers and users.
>

Thanks for that clarification (in which case, we've been talking on 2
wavebands here). The article was written for the consumer: why _not_ to get
the iphone. So your point wasnt really a counterargument then (in which
case, I would agree with you for Apple - it doesnt matter in some sense. Bad
for freedom advocates, good for Apple...)



>
> >>
> >> >    * iPhone endorses and supports Digital Restrictions Management
> >> > (DRM) technology.
> >>
> >> Don't buy music! Download pirated, DRM-free for free (kidding!).
> >> AFAIK, Apple Music Store is moving away from DRM. You can take it this
> >> way, you can't play any DRM-ed songs at non-DRM-compatible music
> >> player (e.g. FreeRunner), but with iPhone, you could play both. It's
> >> now up to you (as in 'free speech') to decide what type of music do
> >> you buy.
> >
> > "you can play both" also means you're buying something that supports it.
> > Says in the link that the iphone wont play non-drm formats. You're saying
> it
> > can? Is this after it's unlocked (or whatever)? Or which formats are you
> > specifically talking about that are non-DRM that it can play?
>
> mp3, aac (not all aac is DRM-ed); that's what I've already seen with
> my own eyes. Apple website states: Audio formats supported: AAC,
> Protected AAC, MP3, MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 1, 2, and 3), Apple
> Lossless, AIFF, and WAV; seems that the writer of the article does not
> do his research.
>

:) i would agree.



>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >    * iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis
> and
> >> > Theora.
> >>
> >> Gosh. Ogg Vorbis, it has been ages since I heard of that format. It
> >> begs the questions: does it affect you? After all, iPhone is not a
> >> swiss army knife. (:
> >
> > I guess it's a case of different beliefs/priorities here? I may care
> about
> > global warming - even though it doesn't really affect me all that much at
> > this point in time. I'm not sure about the iphone being a swiss army
> knife.
> > Perhaps not - but you buy what you want to. You don't buy what you do not
> > want to.
>
> Sure. That's 'free speech', isn't it?


Right. Of course. But we still need people to point it out for people who
arent aware (thanks, Kam Yung).



> I never ever ask you to buy an
> iPhone. I may persuade you if you were my close friends, but I'm
> usually not a good salesman anyway. Saying something is bad because
> you don't want to buy it is not cool, especially when it's so
> one-sided (it happens all the time though, which is why university
> nowadays give critical thinking lesson; politics is one of the worst
> battleground ><)
>

actually, no. I wont buy it cos it's bad.


-jf

--
In the meantime, here is your PSA:
"It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not
help."
-- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation
http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228
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