Come on Dan, this is a support list not a cheerleading list.  If there are
concerns with the products they CAN be voiced here.

Ray


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan @ Wyoming.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Strange dbm values


> If you don't like the way SB has their Radio set up then don't use it.
>  If you think they are so expensive they why are you using them?  Why
> don't you just go use your Cisco raio's?  Then there won't be anything
> to bitch about.  As for price they are much much cheaper then most
> everything else out there.
>
> ????
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 05:09:08 -0500
> "beckman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What I am 'bitching' about is that a AB will report -19dbm when the
> > signal
> > is actually -65. I have quality tools. I have a calibrated spectrum
> > analyzer
> > and many years of experience using it. I also have a 802.11b (Cisco)
> > card
> > that I have a known reference level to, so It is accurate. What I am
> > saying
> > is that other manufactures easily make an accurate 'out of the box'
> > RSSI
> > display, normally within 10% accuracy, and I expect the same from
> > smart
> > bridges.
> >
> > Displaying -19dbm on a 7 mile link with only 29db EIRP on the head
> > end and
> > 24 gain on the client end does not compute. My techs know to convert
> > it, and
> > not trust it, but it is dam annoying and for the price we pay for
> > smartbridges, they can fix the software. We have taken to always
> > putting a
> > coax down the pole and using a pen-tablet with a Cisco Aironet card
> > to aim
> > the antenna and verify the link before we ever put the smartbridges
> > on. (we
> > originally started that because of the failure rate in smart
> > bridges, its
> > annoying to have to lower a H50 telescoping pole)
> >
> > Don't bitch at me for my demanding a quality product. Smartbridges
> > are not
> > cheep, I expect them to live up to their price. They are ESPECIALLY
> > not
> > cheep when we have to do a @#$%$ truck roll to fix them when they
> > break. And
> > Yes, I know many of you have had no problems with smart bridges, and
> > I have
> > had many sites with no problems too. But the most common thing in
> > these
> > sites with no problems seem to be that every thing is 'perfect'.
> > Great
> > ground, great signal, SB in the shade, 3 added lightning protectors
> > (coax,
> > power supply, and CAT5, adds 75$ to the cost, BTW), and low
> > frequency of
> > lightning and other bad weather nearby. the SB product line has a
> > very low
> > fudge factor.
> >
> > Donald Beckman
> > Fort Worth, Texas
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RFMS
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:27 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Strange dbm values
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Beckman,
> >
> > None of them are accurate enough for a self respecting
> > person to use more than once, unless you use the same
> > card all the time to test the signal level, off-air.
> >
> > It would be best for the manufacturer to produce a
> > QoS for data,AKA, BER instead of everyone discussing
> > what the signal level should be for a CPE when installed.
> >
> > You want good data, start demanding it in print, with
> > a corroborative source behind the printed spec's and
> > then those folks selling junk will not be discussed
> > here and this problem will cease to waste everyone's
> > time here.
> >
> > In short, you do get what you pay for.  Stop bitching.
> >
> > Ron
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