Blacklist servers are so useless. Why does anyone still
use them. There have been times that those blacklists have
inaccurately listed us because our server responded at all
to an attempt at a relay, (access denied response), and
they listed us. All of a sudden, a bunch of customers of
our customers aren't able to receive e-mail from us. Funny
how it takes only a few minutes to get a server listed, but
it can take weeks, sometimes months to get un-listed.

That whole concept is total BS.

Kevin Summers
KISTech Internet Services Inc.
www.kistech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gloria Vester
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [smartBridges] for Dennis


Dennis,
I have been trying to send you info, but it keeps getting refused.  I did
some research, and apparently my server has been blocked as being an open
relay.  My server is NOT an open relay, I fixed that years ago, but this
site (http://www.njabl.org/ ) says it is and has me blocked.  I have
requested them to remove my server from their list, but in the mean time I
can't send you mail.  I just wanted you to know I wasn't ignoring your
messages.

Thanks,
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Burgess
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


 I understand everyone point.   I'm new to the WISP business, not to PtP
links or wireless in general, but just the WISP portion.  Now, you give me a
2000 or 2003 server, CIsco router, VPN, IPsec question.  I will be all over
it.

So, for those who have answered my tower questions, thanks a bunch. Your
questions was insightful as well as imforative.  I was hoping to get some
more info on who you guys contacted to get space on watertowers.  Think I
have one every 10 miles here!      I called the Water District and they say
its a public works, thing and vise versa. My e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if someone would like to help out.

And for those who, don't want anything but smartbridge tech talk, I
understand and apologize for the incovience.  But if you do have a question,
IP config, routers, VPN stuff like that, let me know.  I get over 500 bucks
month for a 1meg IPsec connection, plus the 150 a month of 512k of internet
at two locations :) so, IPsec is a good business!  heehe

la8ers

Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: John Hokenson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


I have to side with Marlon....you get too much off topic stuff going and
Smartbridges will stop listing to the list and you have lost your factory
tech support on the list.

USe the other lists.

JH
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Email
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Towers


Marlon

I'm not trying to argue,  but I respectfully disagree
I still say if you are using sB radios and anything that concerns them are
relevant, ie towers, servers, routers,  backhauls, battery backup, solar
power,  antennas,  etc.
Why should you have to monitor several sites if you are using sB radios,
this one is hard enough to keep with
Don't take this the wrong way, I may need your advice sometime


My observation
Joe K

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon Schafer
(509-982-2181)
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


righto.  But this particular list is there for support of the RADIO's not
everything else.  There are 2 other good email lists and a web based forum
designed for generic questions.

That help?
marlon

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Email
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Towers


OK Marlon

I've seen this happen more than once on this site
For some reason or another someone only wants to talk about the subject they
want to talk about
I would think if you are a smartBridges user and you were using them on a
tower and you wanted to ask about a tower or
anything concerning these radios you should be able to post a question
Some of us may not be as learned as others
Why not ask questions to the people using the same radios as you are

My observations
Joe K
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon Schafer
(509-982-2181)
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


btw guys, i didn't notice what list this is on.  These generic questions
really belong on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list rather than the TT tech support one.

thanks
marlon

----- Original Message -----
From: John Hokenson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


$2500 is not expensive compared to spending $500 a month to be on someone
else's towe.

JH
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Burgess
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


Ouch.  Thats what I have been finding out.  Much simpler and cheaper to run
off other towers unless you have the cash to outlay :(

Any other suggestions?

Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gloria Vester
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Towers


We built our own tower and it was rather inexpensive.  I have a friend who
was in the two way radio business for 40 years and built lots of towers, so
he was very helpful.  We bought the 100' steel tower (Rohn 25G) from Hutton
(www.huttononline.com), picked it up locally, for less than $1k.  We used
friends / relatives for labor (free) so the only additional cost was the
concrete, rebar, guy wires, and miscellaneous hardware.  It was not that
difficult to build, took us about 4 days, mainly due to the over 100 degree
heat.  Total investment was less than $2.5k.  If you need any help with how
to build one, what parts to buy, want to see pictures of ours going up,
etc., just email me offline ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I will be
happy to help.

Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Burgess
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: [smartBridges] Towers


I was wonder what everyone is doing for towers?  I have high trees in my
area, 70 foot high in some cases.  I'm running off a radio station tower
now, but what other options are there?  I have found a 100 foot telescoping
tower for like $3,200 bucks, but you need a crane and a big ass crew just to
get the thing up, not to mention the guy wires.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Dennis

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