Eje I was only doing this as a test to see what speed or attempt to see what 
speed the clients were associating to the AP to.

Quoting Eje Gustafsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Your setting the data rate to 1 Mbps to offer a 512k service ? Now
> that isn't very good nor smart. This means that your entire cell NEVER
> runs any faster then 1Mbps. ALL your customers are sharing 1Mbps.
> 
> Don't use the radio speed settings as a bandwidth throttle mechanism
> get a bandwidth shaper. Get a MikroTik box or a YDI BCU or something
> but by george do not set the radio speed to 1Mbit as a way of
> bandwidth throttle your clients... That is a waste of radiowaves..
> 
> I do sell MikroTik routers and bandwidth controllers so I'm somewhat
> biased but whatever you do don't do what you do today get yourself a
> real bandwidth shaper from me or from anyone else..
> 
> Because I hope you do understand by setting the data rate to 1Mbps
> means you limit ALL your clients to run at a TOTAL of 1Mbps (not 1Mbps
> per client to the AP but 1Mbps for ALL clients).
> 
> Think of it as a single file road. If the speed limit is 20mph then
> only so many cars can pass a certain stretch of the road in any given
> time period (your 1Mbit setting). Now if you up the speed limit to
> 40mph (2Mbit setting) still single file road then twice as many cars
> (bytes) can be pass through on your road.
> If you up to 110mph (5.5Mbit) then you can now pass 5.5 times amount
> of cars in the same time period as on the 20mph single file road (more
> bytes can be uploaded or downloaded in the same time period).
> Now lets go all the way and do 11Mbit or 220mph.. Still single file
> road (you only use one frequency to talk to your clients)..
> 
> Best regards,
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> CW> Hi,
> 
> CW> I have not followed the entire thread, but here is what we set the aB
> CPE
> CW> at:
> 
> CW> Frag Threshold: 1066
> CW> RTS Threshold: 256
> 
> CW> IP of the CPE is static private (192.168.5.X), full class c subent and
> CW> 0.0.0.0 for the gateway.  Data rate is set at 1 Mbps.  We only offer
> 512
> CW> service, so no need to run any higher.
> 
> CW> Our APPO are set at:
> 
> CW> Fragmentation: 2346
> CW> RTS/CTS: 2346
> 
> CW> All data rates are checked on the APPO, static private IP...
> 
> CW> Could your problem be that the CPE radios are connecting a different
> speeds
> CW> and the APPO is always busy changing data rates to talk to the various
> CPEs?
> 
> CW> Try that...
> CW> Chris
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> CW> -----Original Message-----
> CW> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CW> On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> CW> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:01 PM
> CW> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CW> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems 
> 
> 
> CW> I also forgot to mention I throttled the one big user down to 100kbps
> and
> CW> same think its like it has a hold on the APPO at 11 megs  (5.5) and wont
> let
> CW> anything else talk to it??
> 
> 
> CW> ----- Original Message ----- 
> CW> From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:59 PM
> CW> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> 
> 
> CW> Okay this slow down is really killing me I have all users turned off
> that
> CW> appear to be sending any kind of arp but this was not what was causing
> the
> CW> slowdowns. I have two users on right now one downloading at 700kbps and
> the
> CW> other one my slow customer just trying to surf and cant due it due to
> ping
> CW> rates we beyond out of control 300-400 and packet loss.
> 
> CW> I turn off the one customer who is downloading and the problem resolves.
> I
> CW> called the customer downloading and they are doing Microsoft patches on
> CW> their machines right now so its not a virus. What gives why can one
> person
> CW> not taking up the full bandwidth screw the whole system I mean every
> one
> CW> else is at a dead stand still??
> 
> CW> To me this is a problem in the radio APPO not being able to talk to two
> CW> radios at the same time at two different speeds this thing is totally
> just
> CW> sh**ing all over itself?
> 
> CW> Anyone else see this happen I had the APPO set to 1 meg only 2 meg and
> 5.5
> CW> and also 11 but nothing seems to help! I have RTS set to 800 on the
> clients
> CW> and that made no difference I give up this customer wants me to come
> pull
> CW> the equipment..
> 
> CW> Any ideas?
> CW> HELP!
> CW> ----- Original Message ----- 
> CW> From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:02 PM
> CW> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> 
> 
> CW> This can get tricky.  You need to be on a port that sees all of the
> traffic
> CW> - read that as 'not a switch port'.  By definition a switch will only
> show
> CW> you packets destined for your computer.
> 
> CW> If you really want to see what going on you need a hub or a managed
> switch
> CW> that can replicate all traffic onto a port.
> 
> CW> Another option is to use a wireless card in promiscious mode - a mode
> where
> CW> you see all of the traffic.   Ethereal will do this with (I think) most
> CW> common wireless cards.
> 
> CW> Mark Radabaugh
> CW> Amplex
> CW> (419) 720-3635
> 
> CW> ----- Original Message ----- 
> CW> From: "Pascal Losier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CW> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:41 PM
> CW> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> 
> 
> >>
> >> Just a small question,
> >>
> >> When running ethereal, Do you run it directly on the router
> >> (ex.Mikrotik) or on any system connected to the router.
> >>
> >> Also does it matter if the system running ethereal is log via PPPOE 
> >> ????
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:12 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> HAHA well then my router has the virus I get like over 2000 arp 
> >> request from the router in less then 20 min which I think is way out 
> >> of control it always is asking who has what IP etc. I was told this is 
> >> normal in order for the router to know what IP has what mac etc..
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:15 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> A WHOLE bunch of arp requests.  If you run ethereal, you would see 
> >> upwards of 30 or 40% ARP requests.  Some of the viruses cause ARP 
> >> storms.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:09 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you mean check arp I know how to check it but what am I 
> >> looking for??
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> Check ARP.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:17 AM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> I have done that already and there is no ICMP other then me pinging 
> >> the radios It doesn't happen when there is no one online it only 
> >> happens when a few close users get on and start to surf and then the 
> >> far users have a hard time with dropped packets and slow speeds and 
> >> high pings. I just thing I need to open up another AP closer to them 
> >> and keep my distance down to under 5 miles. The one person having the 
> >> hardest time is about 5.6 miles which is closer then my 7.2 mile 
> >> customer who is doing great and pointed at the same radio APPO. It 
> >> might just be this person is in a bad area with more interference is 
> >> what I am thinking and I also may need to raise her ant a smidge..
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:47 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >>
> >>
> >> Every time I've experienced interference (numerous times), it hasn't 
> >> affected ping times.  From what I've seen, it usually causes lost 
> >> packets, but not high latency.  I don't know if anyone has mentioned 
> >> this before (I jumped in in the middle of this thread), but what 
> >> you're describing sounds exactly like something I experienced a few 
> >> weeks ago. I had about six users with the Welchia virus, and they were 
> >> causing high latency all over the network.  If you haven't done it 
> >> already, put a packet sniffer on the network, and see if you're seeing 
> >> a lot of icmp echo traffic.
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Blazen Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> > Well maybe this is not the problem now I am back to the same issues 
> >> > pings up to over 100ms and it seems now more with radios that never 
> >> > had problems before I am thinking more of interference now? How many 
> >> > of you have seen a drastic increase in SOHO wireless routers popping 
> >> > up on your site survey tab when setting up a customer, I s**t you 
> >> > not one the other day had 11
> >> that
> >> > all
> >> > said linksys or the default ssid for dlink stuff. Are those
> >> manufacturers
> >> > within spec it seems more and more are popping up and some with 
> >> > better
> >>
> >> > signal then my tower according to the site survey numbers in the ABO
> >> /ABI
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:07 AM
> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Actually, it does not really drop everyone down to 1meg, it just 
> >> > _MAY_
> >>
> >> > slow down the 11meg folks in order to respond to the 1meg person. 
> >> > Hope
> >>
> >> > that makes sense.
> >> >
> >> > Scott
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wirefree 
> >> > Network
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 AM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Huh!??!?  This seems bass ackwards.  If one client associates at 1 
> >> > Meg, it drops everyone down to that speed.  Not the other way 
> >> > around. Weakest link theory.  If a client can not associate at 11 
> >> > Meg and steps it's way down to 1 Meg, then it CAN NOT be forced to 
> >> > connect at 11 Meg. However, a client who is close in with 100% RSSI, 
> >> > could be stepped down to 1 Meg based on some far out client.
> >> >
> >> > Sully
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:56 PM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> > I have throttling in place now thats not the issue. The issue is in 
> >> > my
> >>
> >> > opinion and theory is at what rate the radios associate at.. If they 
> >> > are only associating at 1 meg or less then yes you will have 
> >> > throughput problems, if I have all my close customers able to 
> >> > associate at 11 megs
> >> > (5.5) and my furthest customers only at 1 meg ( 500kbps) then the 
> >> > further users are not going to be able to associate at 1 meg but 
> >> > will
> >> be
> >> > forced to associate at 11 megs and since that is not a stable link
> >> they
> >> > will suffer as I kind of proved tonight but cant be 100% sure unless 
> >> > I
> >>
> >> > could verify what speed the users radios are associating at to the 
> >> > AP.
> >>
> >> > In theory the AP cant be associated to 3 to 4 radios all at 
> >> > different speeds. They will be associated at the speed of the 
> >> > slowest radio or
> >> the
> >> > fastest depending on what radio has the best link I think?
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Vasu (sB Tech Team)
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:27 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> > That's the basics of 802.11 std, when one user hogs the entire 
> >> > bandwidth the remaining users have to share the bandwidth, hence 
> >> > bandwidth throttling is important to ensure good and stable links to 
> >> > all users, I think the XO series access point should solve your 
> >> > problem which can provide dedicated bandwidth to every user.
> >> >
> >> > Vasu
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:02 PM
> >> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> > Subject: [smartBridges] Slow down problems
> >> >
> >> > Okay I think I have figured out the problem with my system. It seems 
> >> > that when users are one (close users) they are associated to the 
> >> > APPO at 5.5 to 11 megs possibly and the users that are further away 
> >> > are at 1 meg max well if you have the near users at 11 megs tying up 
> >> > the radio and the far uses cant connect at a slower speed for a 
> >> > better link / speed quality then the far users suffer? am I correct 
> >> > in my theory does that make any sense?
> >> >
> >> > So going forward we are going to have to plan some more sites closer 
> >> > to the users having issues etc Has anyone else experienced this. I 
> >> > cant verify 100% that this is true due to the fact the radios don't 
> >> > report what speed they are associated at? Can someone think of a way 
> >> > to validate this theory??
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Martin & Steve
> >> > Blazen Wireless
> >> > www.blazenwireless.com
> >> >
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