Hi Colin.
When I set this wireless network up it was because my complex had no DSL
or Cable (the complex is fiber, no copper). I quickly realized that the
business park across had the same dilemma. So I deployed there as well.
So I have no DSL to contend with. Only Comcast. Actually that's not the
worst case because Verizon is selling for 69.00 here, Comcast 99.
Comcast is the better option for 99.00 but there are those who are cheap
and don't want to pay for anything. I sent out ads for 75.00/month
broadband. This was to 110 businesses who have no dsl and, until next month,
no cable. NOT ONE RESPONSE.
I am pretty sure Comcast went door to door and this is why people are
not jumping on. I maintain, people... when given the choice, will chose
Comcast because they have it at home and want it at work. Most of them have
no clue about speed or anything... they just want it because of the name and
because they have it at home.
I think it s a riot that whomever you talk you, everyone hates Comcast
yet they'll pay them every month nevertheless. I have DirecTV at my house.
ALL digital channels (not just some like cable). I love it. When people ask
me about it I tell them all the good things about it. They still keep cable.
UN-BELIEVABLE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> You're only in trouble if you can't deliver the speed ;) Seriously tho, is
> it worth carrying on for you? I mean, the situation seems pretty bleak -
and
> there is no point subsidising other peoples connections out of your own
> pocket unless you can see a chance of a return (ideally sizable). Cable
> being the nasty nail thats gonna hold the lid on the coffin :( - Just
outta
> intrest, why do you not regard *DSL as competition - Pure curiosity :)
>
> If you do carry on, best of luck!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Colin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Kosick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
>
>
> > Yeah, to reinforce this theory... check out the forums on DSLReports
where
> > the morons jerk each other off about how fast their connection is and
how
> > cheap it is. The common statement is how they can't wait until it gets
> > faster. These are the same idiots that you used to see parked in the
> parking
> > lot back in high school with their hoods up showing everyone how cool
and
> > fast their cars were. Nowhere to go, just parked there showing it off.
> >
> > Same with these idiots. "Look how fast my connection is, even though I
> have
> > nothing to do online other than test my speed and bust my providers
balls
> > over it".
> >
> > Amazing. I know I'm in trouble when I connect a user who immediately
goes
> to
> > Toast.Net to measure the speed. You'd think after waiting so long to get
> > fast Internet that they would try it out against the things they need it
> > for... such as loading pages, Remote Access, etc.
> >
> > I had Verizon DSL at my house for 3 weeks before I realized it was
> > provisioned at 768k (something Verizon does a lot... they provision it
for
> > 768k and leave it that way unless someone says something). I
> online-chatted
> > with tech support, 3 mins later after rebooting the modem I was at
> 1.5Mbps.
> > Of course, I went straight to DSLReports to tell everyone :-)
> > Seriously though, it only mattered to me because I was downloading a
large
> > file and it was taking longer than I'd expected.
> > ===
> > Rick Kosick
> > StarLinX Internet Service
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Demarc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> >
> >
> > > George
> > >
> > > You and I are not a normally user so this comment would not apply. But
> in
> > general most people simply do not NEED the extra speed to
> > > do basic work nor do they NEED the extra speed, they WANT the extra
> speed
> > but do not want to pay for it, which is nothing new :)
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Tony Morella
> > > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> > > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202
> > > http://www.demarctech.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geo_p15sb
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:02 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> > >
> > >
> > > WRONG..
> > > If I had to sit at a p2-500 I'd shoot myself first. These applications
> > > have grown to eat all the power they can get out of the latest round
of
> > > procs.
> > > My p4-2.53 is nice to work with, my p3-500 is laggy my amd k2 400
drove
> > > me nuts.
> > > Faster is better.
> > > Always.
> > > George
> > >
> > > Demarc wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agree 100% for the most part this is also true for computer
processing
> > > > speed most end users do not NEED anything over 500Mhz PII to do
there
> > > > every day computing but they still by the latest greatest even
thought
> > > > the actual benefits are very little.
> > > >
> > > > On a plus note, once the next get equipment is out (soon) it will
make
> > > > for a equal playing field where 30Mb per cell is reachable.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely, Tony Morella
> > > > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> > > > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202
> > > > http://www.demarctech.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:53 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3MB internet for $99 is about like the AOL 1,000 hours free in the
> > > > first
> > > > month. There is not 1,000 hours in a month and most users will run
out
> > > > of data before they ever hit 3 MB sustained. Marketing types know
> > > > people tend to go for the high numbers and probably will never use
it.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Kosick wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Hi Colin.
> > > >>
> > > >> The problem is basically that I only service one office park of
> > > >>about 100 businesses.
> > > >> I only have 12 customers there now (on wireless, anyway). I
admit
> > > >>I got a little lazy and didn't market there like I should have.
> > > >>Recently Comcast came in and wired the complex. Now I am cutting my
> > > >>prices to $75.00/month for small office and $125.00 for large office
> > > >>and NOBODY is replying.
> > > >>
> > > >> These people can't get DSL, and can't evem get cable yet but
> > > >>Comcast surveyed the area and got them interested. So, I'm cheaper
and
> > > >>better (not faster) and they still go with them.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also pondered doing a 10Mbps link for the same pricing as
> > > >>Comcast and when I spoke to people about it, they just want Comcast.
> > > >>
> > > >> I pictched an office complex of 120 offices DYING for Internet
> > > >>Access. No DSL, no Cable.
> > > >> Comcast caught wind that this problem existed and tried to run
> > > >>lines. The association told them they wanted 10k in escrow to make
> > > >>sure no damage was done. Comcast said no.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, the customers sat for 18 months with nothing. No hope of
> > > >>Comcast, and no DSL options.
> > > >> I went it... do digging, installed within 2 weeks, $99.00/month.
> > > >>
> > > >> Comcast caught wind of this... came back and offered the complex
> > > >>$5000k escrow. They took it. I signed up 3 customers and 1 of them
> > > >>told them that they would likely only use me until they got their
> > > >>cable installed. The rest never responded. $95/month, 3.5Mbps.
Do
> > > >>the math. And, they could double this at any time (speed, not
price).
> > > >>
> > > >> Comcast is doubling their residential speeds from 1.5 to 3Mbps
on
> > > >>Dec 1.
> > > >> Compete with that.
> > > >>
> > > >> They're smart. They know 3Mbps is impossible to get in any other
> > > >>economical format. DSL is not gonna do that (under realistic
> > > >>conditions) and T1 isn't either. Diabolical!
> > > >>
> > > >> I used to have about 100 customers on wireless but I opt'd to
swap
> > > >>out all the radio equipment for burried Cat5(it is a complex).
Almost
> > > >>all of them were concerned that "when it rains or the wind is
blowing,
> > > >>doesn't it go out?". This is directly related to Comcast's
commercials
> > > >>regarding the dish. :-(
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't even tell people its wireless. I call it wDSL, or
Wireless
> > > >>DSL if they ask.
> > > >>
> > > >>===
> > > >>Rick Kosick
> > > >>StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Colin Watson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:39 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> > > >>
> > > >> How badly are u suffering? Why can't you compete?
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Rick Kosick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:26 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge...
> > > >>
> > > >> Nope, wasn't me who called. I started out with Breezecom
about
> > > >> 3 years ago and remained pretty small. I'm taking it in the
> > > >> backside now with Comcast here giving it all away for free.
> > > >> Scumbags.
> > > >>
> > > >> Wouldn't it be so nice to have that monopoly? Run wires to
> > > >> every home and then call it a private network so nobody else
> > > >> has access to the wire. Funny, 230' of their cable runs
across
> > > >> my lawn and I don't see any rent money for that "private
> > > >> network". What a waste the FCC is.
> > > >> ===
> > > >> Rick Kosick
> > > >> StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Sevak Avakians
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:10 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use
smartBridge...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Rick,
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in NYC. Yeah, both our areas (NY & PA) were hit bad
> > > >> yesterday!
> > > >>
> > > >> PA? There was a guy in PA that wanted to setup a WISP
and
> > > >> had called me for tips awhile back...that wasn't you,
> > > >> right? If I remember correctly, his name was also Rick.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sevak
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 11:02, Rick Kosick wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> No luck. I downgraded to lower firmware and nothing.
> > > >>> I am going to try and reset it by using the button on
> > > >>> PowerShot and trying from scratch. Otherwise, I have to
> > > >>> dump the equipment and move to something else. Way too
> > > >>> much time spent on this what-should-be-simple setup. It
> > > >>> did work for about 5 mins until I tried enabling WEP.
> > > >>> Ever since though, nothing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Where are you located that you have 55MPH wind? I'm in
PA
> > > >>> and have the same problem. Trees down everywhere :-(
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Where can I get 1.4j.9? Maybe that will do it?
> > > >>> ===
> > > >>> Rick Kosick
> > > >>> StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: Sevak Avakians
> > > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:47 AM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use
> > > >>>smartBridge...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Rick,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Turns out that I'm also having problems getting 2
> > > >>> aPPOT units to bridge. At first, I was having
> > > >>> trouble with one of the appot to broadcast it's
> > > >>> ssid. The other appot did not take up the ssid
> > > >>> changes I made to it. Whenever sniffing
wirelessly,
> > > >>> its ssid appeared as airPointProOutdoorTOTAL.
After
> > > >>> re-flashing the rom, rebooting, and switching from
> > > >>> wireless bridge mode to client bridge mode then
back
> > > >>> to wireless bridge mode, the ssid appears properly
on
> > > >>> the second unit. (Note, that the ssid as seen from
> > > >>> the monitor program would always appear as the
> > > >>> correct one. It was only from looking at the
> > > >>> wireless broadcast that I could see that the ssid
was
> > > >>> incorrect.)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Well, anyway it is way too windy here today for me
to
> > > >>> continue (55 mph winds!), so I'll take another look
> > > >>> at it tomorrow.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any luck with your setup???
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sevak
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:19, Rick Kosick wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Software: 1.6
> > > >>>> Firmware: 1.4j.8
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Both sides.
> > > >>>> ===
> > > >>>> Rick Kosick
> > > >>>> StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: Sevak Avakians
> > > >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use
> > > >>>> smartBridge...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Rick, if you got the firmware off the website,
> > > >>>> it may not be the latest. Usually sb has a
beta
> > > >>>> version that they post on this list and most
of
> > > >>>> us use before it is posted to the website.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Check the version number using simpleNMS or
the
> > > >>>> firmware upgrade utility.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sevak
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:05, Rick Kosick
wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I don't know the actual version number but I
> > > >>>>> just downloaded it off the website in the
past
> > > >>>>> few days and it is the very latest on both
> > > >>>>>sides.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This part about it bringing the switch to its
> > > >>>>> knees is VERY disturbing because a switch, by
> > > >>>>> its design, should not allow that to happen
> > > >>>>> normally. I can see it happening to a hub.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I was working on this remotely (from home) at
> > > >>>>> late hours both times and had to drive to the
> > > >>>>> NOC to remedy it because I couldn't access
any
> > > >>>>> machines via PC Anywhere. The whole network
> > > >>>>> crashed basically.
> > > >>>>> ===
> > > >>>>> Rick Kosick
> > > >>>>> StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>> From: Blazen Wireless
> > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:59 AM
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to
use
> > > >>>>> smartBridge...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Interesting what firmware were you using
> > > >>>>> which should not affect your switch like
> > > >>>>> that just curious to know..
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>> From: Rick Kosick
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003
5:39
> AM
> > > >>>>> Subject: [smartBridges] Why not to
use
> > > >>>>> smartBridge...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> So far I've come up with three good
> > > >>>>> reasons to not continue to use
> > > >>>>> smartBridges but I'm open to
> > > >>>>> suggestions for fixing these problem.
> > > >>>>> Pardon my frustration but I have 3
> > > >>>>> years of wireless experience and its
> > > >>>>> taking me more than 10 hours of
> > > >>>>> fiddling to get a simple Wireless
> > > >>>>> Bridge to Wireless Bridge up and
> > > >>>>> running and I am sitting here with
more
> > > >>>>> problems than solutions right now.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 1) Last week I plugged the ethernet
> > > >>>>> side of an APPO into an APCC PNET4
> > > >>>>> ethernet surge supressor where there
> > > >>>>> where three other devices plugged in.
> > > >>>>> This caused severe packet loss on the
> > > >>>>> other devices. Pinging the other
> > > >>>>> devices between each other would
result
> > > >>>>> in 4 out of 10 pings timeing out.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: Bypass the ethernet
surge
> > > >>>>> supressor.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2) Right now I have two APPO's
> > > >>>>> configured in Wireless Bridge mode
> > > >>>>> (which won't work, see #3). At my NOC
> > > >>>>> side its plugged into a D-Link
DES3226
> > > >>>>> Managed Switch. If I put the APPO
into
> > > >>>>> Access Point mode, it KILLS the
traffic
> > > >>>>> on my switch entirely to the point
> > > >>>>> where workstations and servers can
> > > >>>>> barely reach each other. As soon as I
> > > >>>>> unplug the APPO's ethernet connection
> > > >>>>> from the switch, immediately
everything
> > > >>>>> goes back to normal. This has
happened
> > > >>>>> twice now in my quest to get my
> > > >>>>> wireless link working.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: No idea. Maybe avoid
> > > >>>>> Access Point mode?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 3) I have to admit I did enjoy 3
> > > >>>>> minutes of Wireless Bridge mode where
> > > >>>>> everything worked as it was expected,
> > > >>>>> but I got adventerous and enabled
WEP.
> > > >>>>> This did not work out for some reason
> > > >>>>> and now, after disabling WEP... I
> > > >>>>> cannot get the Wireless Bridge mode
to
> > > >>>>> work again. I've reset to Defaults
and
> > > >>>>> started over, still nothing. I simply
> > > >>>>> cannot get Wirless Bridge to Wireless
> > > >>>>> Bridge mode to work at this point.
I've
> > > >>>>> been through the "recycling both
> > > >>>>> sides", "double checking MAC#'s",
etc.
> > > >>>>> You'd think that if this was going to
> > > >>>>> work at all, I would have
accidentally
> > > >>>>> made it work by now.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: None as of yet.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Clearly, when considering points #1
and
> > > >>>>> #2 above, there is more happening on
> > > >>>>> the ethernet side of the link than
just
> > > >>>>> ethernet. Something is different than
a
> > > >>>>> standard ethernet connection because
> > > >>>>> this radio clearly caused major
packet
> > > >>>>> loss between the other devices
plugged
> > > >>>>> into am ethernet surge supressor.
Maybe
> > > >>>>> power is leaking through from the
> > > >>>>> PowerShot device? And, its ability to
> > > >>>>> completely bring a managed switch to
> > > >>>>> its knees just reassures this..
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ===
> > > >>>>> Rick Kosick
> > > >>>>> StarLinX Internet Service
> > > >>>>>
> > > >
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