Yes, surprised it didn't break the camera.... ;o) JH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geo_p15sb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll
> John > is this you in this picture? > http://www.vircom.net/pictures/res-install/res-install_6.htm > George > > John Hokenson wrote: > > On the indoor units, see below: > > http://www.vircom.net/pictures/res-install/res-install.htm > > > > Out door units, we use a Motorola Canopy entrance protector where the cat5 > > enters the building, and use the ground stud on that to attach to the > > antenna ground, and from there to the building ground. > > > > JH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:09 PM > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > > > > > > >>How were you doing that with sB products in the past? > >> > >>Sully > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>15.org] On Behalf Of John Hokenson > >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:07 PM > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > >>> > >>>Every install we do is done to NEC standards. > >>> > >>>JH > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:30 PM > >>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I figured I would receive an answer like this. Ya...I know the > >>> > >>>law...but > >>> > >>>>scratch everything else I said and answer just this question: > >>>> > >>>>Who is going to use them?!?!?! > >>>> > >>>>I see my competitor is not using them as well. > >>>> > >>>>Sully > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>15.org] On Behalf Of Don Castella > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:00 PM > >>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > >>>>> > >>>>>In the United States, with very few exceptions, the National > >>> > >>>Electrical > >>> > >>>>>Code > >>>>>applies everywhere. It requires proper antenna grounding, as well as > >>>>>overvoltage and overcurrent protection for outside plant (OSP) cable > >>>>>systems. In addition, there are specific requirements for OSP > > > > Building > > > >>>>>Entrance Protection, including the installation and use of proper > >>>>>grounding > >>>>>and surge protection equipment. Most building codes require a > >>> > >>>UL-approved > >>> > >>>>>primary protector (UL 497) at the building cable entrance. Some > > > > states > > > >>>and > >>> > >>>>>localities may have more stringent requirements, but very few have > >>> > >>>less > >>> > >>>>>stringent ones. These codes are in place for two reasons, personal > >>> > >>>injury > >>> > >>>>>protection and property protection. > >>>>> > >>>>>Ask any experienced fireman about these topics. I'm quite sure you > >>> > >>>will > >>> > >>>>>hear > >>>>>some harrowing stories. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Austin H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:00 AM > >>>>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>What it really becomes, is a question of absolute liability. Sure, > >>> > >>>you > >>> > >>>>>might > >>>>> > >>>>>>see lightning once every three years. Sure, the chances are one in > > > > a > > > >>>>>million > >>>>> > >>>>>>that one of your customers will take a hit. The only absolute, in > >>> > >>>said > >>> > >>>>>>situation, is that in the case of someones house burning down (etc > >>> > >>>etc > >>> > >>>>>etc), > >>>>> > >>>>>>you _will_ be held liable. Seventy-five dollars an install... or > >>>>> > >>>>>75million > >>>>> > >>>>>>dollars in liability insurance. Brutal judgement call. =\ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>In addition, lightning protection is not the only factor to > >>> > >>>consider, > >>>an > >>> > >>>>>>external system should always be grounded (in a lot of places it's > >>> > >>>the > >>> > >>>>>law). > >>>>> > >>>>>>Now on the installers side, sometimes it is bloody impossible to > >>> > >>>reach > >>>a > >>> > >>>>>>ground within a reasonable distance from the contact point or > >>> > >>>antenna. > >>> > >>>>>You > >>>>> > >>>>>>need LOS, LOS is on the ne corner of the 22,000 square foot home, > >>> > >>>ground > >>> > >>>>>is > >>>>> > >>>>>>on the sw corner... crap. In some areas the laws in place would > > > > make > > > >>>>>this > >>>>> > >>>>>>install an impossibility. Some would say drive a copper ground rod > >>> > >>>8ft > >>> > >>>>>into > >>>>> > >>>>>>the ground and tie into that (not recommended, mostly ineffctive). > >>> > >>>No > >>> > >>>>>super > >>>>> > >>>>>>effective way to do that. Bummer. I feel your pain. =\ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Austin > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Wirefree > >>> > >>>Network > >>> > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:23 AM > >>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>Subject: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I have a question for y'all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I can wait to get a hold of a few of these outdoor PoE units for > > > > my > > > >>>>>aPPo's. > >>>>> > >>>>>>They are on BIGO METAL TOWERS, which are prone to lightning > > > > strikes > > > >>>(if > >>> > >>>>>we > >>>>> > >>>>>>had any) and when hit take out all clients (not just one). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>However, I am in NO hurry to get them in place on my customer > >>> > >>>installs. > >>> > >>>>>>I know...I know...plenty of you will be saying, "what if it takes > > > > a > > > >>>>>>lightning hit and burns the house down". > >>>>>> > >>>>>>But truthfully...how many of you are really going to install > > > > them?? > > > >>>>>>It is hard enough to find a suitable location for an > > > > antenna....then > > > >>>run > >>> > >>>>>the > >>>>> > >>>>>>cable all the way around the house to the room where the PC's are. > >>>>> > >>>>>Now...I > >>>>> > >>>>>>am supposed to run the cable to the location where their earth > >>> > >>>ground > >>> > >>>>>is, > >>>>> > >>>>>>then run more cable from there all the way to the computer room. > >>> > >>>That > >>> > >>>>>will > >>>>> > >>>>>>easily double the amount of cable run per install. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>And don't even say you are going to pound in your own ground > >>>>> > >>>>>stake...cause > >>>>> > >>>>>>you wont! I will at my towers...but not in a client's yard with > >>> > >>>water > >>> > >>>>>>lines, gas lines, sewer lines, etc. NO WAY! Not to mention the > >>> > >>>time > >>> > >>>>>>involved. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Recap: to use an outdoor PoE it will extend my average install > > > > time > > > >>>from > >>> > >>>>>2 > >>>>> > >>>>>>hours to 3 hours (not including putting in my own ground > >>>>> > >>>>>stake)...driving > >>>>> > >>>>>>the cost per install up by $50-75 per install. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I don't know...I just don't think it is worth it. But then > >>> > >>>again...I > >>> > >>>>>live > >>>>> > >>>>>>in an area where I have only seen lightning (way up in the clouds) > >>> > >>>once > >>> > >>>>>in > >>>>> > >>>>>>the 1.5 years I have been here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Sully > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > >>>>>To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > >>>>>smartBridges <yournickname> > >>>>>To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > >>>>>smartBridges) > >>>>>Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > >>>> > >>>>The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > >>>>To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > >>> > >>>smartBridges <yournickname> > >>> > >>>>To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > >>> > >>>smartBridges) > >>> > >>>>Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > >>> > >>>The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > >>>To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > >>>smartBridges <yournickname> > >>>To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > >>>smartBridges) > >>>Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > >> > >>The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > >>To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > >>To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > > > smartBridges) > > > >>Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
