<shaking head> Heck ... I don't know... I don't know the laws in Colorado.... I don't know why the heck a DA would attempt to convict a very rich celebrity athlete who can obviously hire the very best lawyers that money can buy with only a shaky case to work with........ Maybe the guy I listened to on FOX last night was an idiot? Maybe the DA is an idiot... Maybe the DA hates black folks... I dunno...
I will make a prediction though.... "This ain't over yet."
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Charles wrote:
But why? Why would it be disallowed. The forensic evidence showed that
none of the fluids in her panties belonged to Kobe. It shows that it does
belong to an unnamed person. Isn't that relevant? Seriously, how can it
not be allowed unless they are trying to railroad him?
I mean it is the prosecutor's witness making these claims. He's under oath
and is having to admit that the case is weak. If Bryant were not famous
would the prosecutor even bring a weak case like this to trial?
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org
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Just playing Devils advocate here....
A lawyer on FOX last night had the opinion that all this stuff in pre-trial
that the defense is purporting (even if it *is* rebutle Charles) is designed
to taint the rep of the accusor and much of it will not be allowed at the
real trial. (just another spin)
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:20 AM, Angela wrote:
I'm beginning to lean that way myself. Neil and I were discussing this on the drive to take him to work yesterday. It's just so far the stuff the prosecution has presented doesn't show the *victim* in a favorable light.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:17 AM To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...
The more of the prosecution's case I hear (remember, the defense isn't allowed to present evidence, only cross-examine---this is *ALL* the prosecution's case that took place yesterday) the more I think he's innocent.
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:10 AM To: The Sandbox Discussion List Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...
If they were already having sex and she said no and he stopped when she said no, then IMO it isn't rape.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:11 AM To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...
Ok, more stuff is still leaking out of yesterday's hearing. In the testimony the detective said that in one of her interviews with him he asked her if he stopped when she said no, and she said yes. That could account for the lack of his semen. (i.e. he didn't finish). Now, if she said no (that's in question) and from her own testimony he stopped....is that rape? Isn't stopping what he's *SUPPOSED* to do?
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laurie Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:19 AM To: The Sandbox Discussion List Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...
Maybe we shouldn't do this sounds like she wanted to be convinced that it was ok..that he might care for her afterwards or something to me. I think she got what she wanted...and then had second thoughts after he didn't want a relationship with her afterwards. She is young..but she obviously had sex before...and from what we are hearing now, quite a lot of it.
Laurie --- Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.netNo, but it does have bearing on whether he raped her or not. If she herself doesn't remember if she was clear in saying no, then that matters don't you think? What if all she said to him was "Maybe we shouldn't do this", is that clearly no?
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org <http://www.the-sandbox.org/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen -- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:23 AM To: The Sandbox Discussion List Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Breaking...
That has nothing to do with weather or not she had sex after Kobe.
----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...
Did you see number 3? If the victim is not clear that she made no clear to him how could he be expected to know? Stephi
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Maybe she had sex after Kobe.
David L.
Ben Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters."
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:28 PM To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' Subject: [Sndbox] Breaking...
On the stand in testimony... 1) Detective said their was male Caucasian pubic hair and semen in her panties from another man. These are the panties she wore to the hospital. 2) Victim says no sex with no one for 4 days before Kobe (ok, if that is true, why was she still wearing the panties Ugggghhh) 3) Detective says that the victim was unclear if she made it clear she said no.
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org <http://www.the-sandbox.org/>
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