Darn, iPhone hair trigger! :). These comments were about QEMU. I feel like VirtualBox th the way to go. I use it happily on my PCs and Macs.
On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Wade Brainerd <[email protected]> wrote: > You need administrator rights to install the accelerator on > Windows. This is pretty much requires on Windows for it to be usable. > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Dave Bauer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Sebastian Dziallas <[email protected] >> > wrote: >>> Sean DALY wrote: >>>> Thanks for this Douglas >>> >>> This is all great stuff! :) Thanks for drafting these ideas up... >>> >>>> I believe virtualbox was chosen since free (beer) and >>>> multiplatform. >>> >>> Well, it was, from what I recall, since VMware isn't free on Macs >>> and >>> generally not really open source (though they made some steps in >>> that >>> direction). However, the point that has been made on its >>> portability is >>> still valid - I'm not sure how portable it currently is. >>> >>> So here's the thing. I think we might want to provide additional >>> solutions with the Blueberry launch; however, I would prefer not to >>> stretch the SoaS metaphor further than it has already been. >>> >>> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/soas/+spec/joint-soas-release >>> >>> * VirtualBox might be a possibility. I see there's some portable >>> version >>> spreading around, but it seems to be somewhat hack-ish. >>> >>> * QEMU doesn't require administrative rights and should work >>> directly >>> from USB keys - together with a nice autorun config, this might >>> already >>> fit our needs, though it probably doesn't perform as well as >>> VirtualBox >>> does (mind you, we're already composing virtual appliances at >>> build time). >>> >> Last I heard QEMU did not have acceleration on Mac OS X so it was >> pretty unusable. I haven't checked into it lately. >> >> Do these have the guest additions or whatever for VMWare and >> VirtualBox? For a good experience you want to have clipboard and >> mouse >> integration with the desktop as well as the video drivers for >> Virtualbox. >> >> >>> * Moka5 (www.mokafive.com) - that's an interesting possibility, >>> too, but >>> is only free for Windows, since it requires VMware Fusion on the >>> Mac. >>> >>>> Sebastian, what do you think about these ideas? >>> >>> Well, I think we might want to figure a solution here. Something >>> interesting would probably also be to have it working both on >>> Windows >>> and Macs. If I get a spare minute, I'll think about this and hack >>> a bit >>> into it... anybody up to jump in? ;) >> >> I can help out with Virtualbox stuff. >>> >>> --Sebastian >>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Douglas McClendon >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Sean DALY wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You've mentioned how the website could be improved - the "fine >>>>>> print". >>>>>> When you look at the Sugar on a Stick page, what do you think >>>>>> it could >>>>>> express better to guide inexperienced users? The single biggest >>>>>> barrier we face is installation fear - this is how Windows >>>>>> keeps its >>>>>> marketshare (with help from proprietary file formats), and why >>>>>> GNU/Linux desktops have so much difficulty breaking out. Sugar >>>>>> on a >>>>>> Stick sidesteps the problem by not touching the hard disk, but >>>>>> does >>>>>> indeed require system-specific BIOS fiddling. >>>>> >>>>> In response to this, and DancesWithCars autorun html point, I >>>>> can see >>>>> possible progress in this direction- >>>>> >>>>> a) autorun html. Simple to add technically. I'd opt for pure >>>>> open source >>>>> but possibly less compatable simple autorun technique, as >>>>> opposed to using >>>>> the various less-free and often closed source autorun helpers. >>>>> >>>>> b) the content of the html to be autoran- obviously the sky is >>>>> the limit, >>>>> and something marketing is particularly suited for. To the >>>>> extent that >>>>> technical information should be contained, there is the >>>>> LiveDistro wikipedia >>>>> page, which would be included, as well as a layer above it >>>>> translated/shrunk >>>>> into a quickstart version targeted at average parents/teachers. >>>>> >>>>> c) other low hanging fruit windows FOSS. Firefox seems worth it >>>>> if you've >>>>> got the space. But more importantly qemu, or whatever the best >>>>> open source >>>>> windows virtualization solution is (qemu/virtualbox/?). I.e. the >>>>> webpage >>>>> should include simple instructions for launching that >>>>> virtualizaiton >>>>> targeted at the CD/USB that contains it. >>>>> >>>>> Now, these are all old ideas I brought up with Fedora years ago, >>>>> but they >>>>> just aren't that interested, perhaps due to demographics. I.e. >>>>> sugarlabs >>>>> demographics would seem to benefit more from these things IMO. >>>>> >>>>> The reason in my own fedora derivative I haven't spent much time >>>>> on (C) for >>>>> instance, is because I personally just really don't care that >>>>> much about >>>>> windows. One thing that scares me is how fragile qemu for win32 >>>>> sounded. >>>>> It looks like virtualbox is gpl and available for win32 but I >>>>> haven't tried >>>>> it. As such, I think it would be a good idea to do (C), but not >>>>> really >>>>> advertise it as anything but experimental for at least a year. >>>>> >>>>> Also, since pygtk appears available for windows ala liveusb- >>>>> creator, perhaps >>>>> the best in the long term would be an autorun program that is >>>>> just a simple >>>>> pygtk app that can either launch information via a portable >>>>> firefox install >>>>> pointed at the html on the stick/cd, or launch the cd/stick >>>>> virtually under >>>>> qemu/virtualbox. Or enter a chat session with sugarlabs >>>>> techsupport. Or >>>>> launch liveusb-creator (in a mode that pulls the data from the >>>>> stick if that >>>>> isn't yet supported. I.e. stick replication) >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, thats where I see the lowest hanging fruit for the >>>>> longterm solution >>>>> to the problem end-users grokking the whole experience upon first >>>>> introduction to the product. >>>>> >>>>> $0.02... >>>>> >>>>> -dmc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SoaS mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Bauer >> [email protected] >> http://www.solutiongrove.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Marketing mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing _______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
