First, we would need a full definition of "seamless"...

Richard wrote:
> Is there really such a thing as WiFi operating "seamlessly"?  I assume 
> that would be like the operation of cellular service.  Wireless computer 
> interface to the Internet can be accomplished by "dial up" through the 
> PSTN Cellular and that would be seamless, but other than that kind of 
> service, if you move from one WiFi hot spot to another, the OS has to 
> re-acquire connection via the new hot spot. 
> 
> I have two WAP's and would like to configure so that it would be 
> seamless to move between them, anyone know how?
> 
> 
> Richard, NCT
> N6GPP
> 
> On 3/2/06, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Roaming between access points may result in applications stopping
>     termporarily or dropping permanently.
> 
> 
>     Sankaran Somasundaram wrote:
>      > I have some basic question again. what are the problems that
>     would arise
>      > with "seamless wi-fi"..One problem i know is interference because
>     of the
>      > unregulated unlicensed region wi-fi operating in. what else could
>     be the
>      > problems when a seamless wi-fi is promised?
>      >
>      > your help is appreciated.
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > Sankar
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On 2/28/06, Sankaran Somasundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>      > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Thanks a lot Kevin and Mr.Thompson.
>      >
>      >
>      >     On 2/27/06, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>
>      >     wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >         kevincw01 wrote:
>      >
>      >>I don't beleive it's this simple.  One problem is that the range for
>      >>  802.11g is actually less than 802.11b at the maximum throughput.
>      >>
>      >         The primary reason for this is that at the maximum
>     modulation speed
>      >         (54Mbps .vs 11Mbps) a much higher Eb/No (SNR) is required
>     for
>      >         11g than
>      >         for 11b.
>      >
>      >         At (nearly) equivalent bit rates (12Mbps 11g .vs 11Mbps
>     11b) the
>      >         Eb/No
>      >         curves are almost identical.
>      >
>      >         If your environment has a high delay spread (lots of
>     multipath),
>      >         then
>      >         11g's 800ns guard interval may get a signal through a lot
>      >         "farther" than
>      >         11b's nominal 110ns tollerance for delay spread.
>      >
>      >>So you have to decide, do you want the range for the max
>      >         throughput or at
>      >>just the point before it stops working?  Another problem is that the
>      >>power drain is largely dependent on the manufactuer's strength
>      >         of the
>      >>radio.  All radios are not the same strength.  Off the top of my
>      >         head,
>      >>I think many pcmcia 802.11b cards are 150mW but definiteily not all
>      >>(don't quote me on that, it's just a number floating around in
>      >         my head
>      >>that seems right).  So you'd probably have to take the average
>      >         here, or
>      >>maybe different numbers for different strengths...  Then
>      >         ofcourse the
>      >>cost is going to be all over the map, good luck on that one.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >         The original questions are unaswerable without a lot more
>      >         information.
>      >
>      >         However, the Eb/No (SNR) curves for the WiMax PHYs,
>     operated in
>      >         unlicensed spectrum, at equivalent bit rates are
>     approximately
>      >         the same,
>      >         and anyone operating WiMax or WiFi in unlicensed spectrum
>     must
>      >         operate
>      >         under 47 CFR Part 15.247 (ISM) or 15.407 (U-NII), so
>     there is *no*
>      >         inherent advantage of either WiMax or WiFi (compared to
>     each other)
>      >         under these conditions.
>      >
>      >         If you don't believe me, I invite you to study the IEEE
>      >         documents carefully.
>      >
>      >         *most* 802.11b cards operated with 16-17dBm (32mW - 50mW) of
>      >         transmit
>      >         power.  There are specialty cards with 100mW or more of
>     transmit
>      >         power
>      >         available.  All other things being equal, building a
>     high-power
>      >         11g card
>      >         is more expensive than building a high-power 11b card, due to
>      >         peak-to-average power ratio issues.   Since WiMax also uses
>      >         OFDM, with
>      >         similar modulation envelopes, it will also face PAPR .vs
>     linearity
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
> 
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>     President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>     Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993
>     Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs"
>     -- 
>     "Being a bit scattered tends to be a trait of highly imaginative
>     people."  
>     The more you rattle the marbles around in your brain, the more
>     creative new connections you make, as it were
>     – connections that might be lost on those focusing intently on just
>     the red ones.
>       - Ed Vogel, University of Oregon, Department of Neuroscience
> 

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