Prices rise from time to time, there has to be some profit in it. Since the port to Windows NT back around '95/'96, SoftImage's price per seat has continued to fall.
Maybe it's fallen too far to cover development costs? Eric On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David Gallagher < [email protected]> wrote: > > For those of us who've been doing this for 20 years, I'm not inclined to > get worked up about the price. Considering it used to be tens of thousands > per seat. > > Don't get me wrong -- the monopolistic aspects of this is disturbing to > me. But they have to pay the developers from some stream of cash, after > all. I'm happy if they make money from Softimage development because I'm > hoping they'll do more of it. > > Dave > > On 6/18/2012 9:38 AM, Szabolcs Matefy wrote: > > To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, > and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more > reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for > bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? > It’s not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you > really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that’ll lead to > increased software piracy, it’s sure.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Williams, Wayne > *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: price increases?**** > > ** ** > > “I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my > subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices > going up even more?!”**** > > ** ** > > You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it > roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so > Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. > Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion > but monopolistic price gouging isn’t a sustainable business model due to > various factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can > afford the new, higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. > They also extremely piss off much of the rest of their customer base with > the higher prices which makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for > solutions. This is when competitors step in and offer more value to lure > that customer base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort > of product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does > more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, > this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being made > possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is something > that is desirable in the long term. It’s one of the things which drives > innovation, competition and helps producers to determine what is the right > price for their product. Non-market based external factors aside > (government’s injecting themselves into the economy (typically due to > lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid > contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has > observed to date for the allocation of resources. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt > Morris > *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: price increases?**** > > ** ** > > I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs > due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going > up even more?!**** > > ** ** > > I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price > policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a > worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being > squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote: > > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any > word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like > subscription.**** > > +1 > > > I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into > one single subscription covered Ultimate package. > > It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately, > my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option, > dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle. > > If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle > and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees, > which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway, > I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR. > > This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message. > > I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell > the full pack? > > Cheers, > > > tim**** > > > > > > > On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:**** > > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any > word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like > subscription.**** > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in > an official mail from my reseller a month ago. > They say this will be effective from February 2013. > > I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised > - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is > really worth every penny, it > used to cost 70,000 or something ;-) > > Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already. > > Cheers, > > Tom**** > > On 14 June 2012 20:57, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.**** > > *From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: price increases?**** > > > "bets"? > They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-) > Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can > be very effective. > Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed > to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit > reluctant to let go of > possessions, even if it's for the greater good. > It's easily fixed with the: > S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set. > Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is > guaranteed. > Enjoy your stay ;-) > Cheers, > Tom**** > > On 14 June 2012 19:59, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > a little fairy told me today... > in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on > licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of > the cost of new licenses. > > all bets are on. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]>**** > > > Subject: RE: price increases? > > It's a North American price change. > I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the > world. > > -----Original Message-----**** > > From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__ > listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: price increases? > > but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll > see 10 % in > europe and 20% in japan. > (sorry, couldn't resist) > > > -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]>**** > > > Subject: RE: price increases? > > The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will > be something > on the order of 5%, I believe. > I don't have the actual prices atm. > > -----Original Message-----**** > > From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]> > [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind > Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: price increases? > > What are the new prices for new licenses? > > > > > -----Original Message-----**** > > From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]> > [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: price increases? > > Subscription prices do not change. > Price changes apply to new licenses. > > > -----Original Message-----**** > > From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]> > [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto: > [email protected]>] On Behalf Of David > Gallagher > Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM**** > > To: [email protected].__com <mailto: > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: price increases? > > > What are the new subscription prices? > > > On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote: > > You know, > > I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit > about 3d and > softimage...but I feel the need to comment. > > I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it > was selling > for > 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into > the > industry, small. > > what is happening and has been happening with this is just > $%#@ed up. > > -eric > > > > On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote: > > yeah, got some funny emails as well. > It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 > versions > back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price > (which funny > enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not > that long ago). > I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to > explain why this > is a fantastic thing to happen. > > > I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly. > > > Cheers, > > > Tom > > > http://www.screendream.de > > On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold**** > > <pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com <mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote:**** > > > Nevermind - I found it here:**** > > > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?siteID=__123112&id=192218< > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218>**** > > > 63 > > > So it looks like we're all going to see a > price increase in > August. > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold > **** > > <pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com <mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote:**** > > > Can anyone from AD discuss the price > increases that > have been announced? Will it affect > Softimage or is > it just CAD products? > > **** > > > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&__siteID=1231< > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231> > 12 > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > www.matinai.com**** > > > > -- Freelance 3D and VFX animator
