Having tested it for quite a while, I can tell you for sure it is an amazing technology that's only going to continue to get better. The days of sending your work to the render farm & then playing ping-pong for a while are pretty much over.
-Paul On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Xavier Lapointe <[email protected]>wrote: > I'll make sure to forward this. Thanks! > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Thiago Costa <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are >> quite standard to operate the kind of service we do. >> >> Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads: >> As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any >> Renderings or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the >> purpose of creating such Renderings, >> >> >> *For clarity: Lagoa makes no claim over the ownership of the content nor >> the Renderings; we agree that you are the owner of the content that you >> create. >> *In this section, we receive a license to use the data you submit to >> make, among other things, the Renderings that we are promising to make in >> the agreement. Without this license, we might not have the right to create >> the Renderings using the data that you submit and the functions conducted >> by our servers. If you wanted us to display your Renderings (so that others >> could view your work), we could not do so without this license. >> >> To protect peoples interests, we also added that there are limits to what >> we can do with the Renderings you create. First, we cannot use the >> Renderings beyond the privacy settings that you have agreed to. If the >> content is made private for example we will not display it to anyone other >> than who you decide to give access to. >> >> Second – if you are not a paying customer – we can sublicense more >> broadly, but only for certain purposes (to promote Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, >> Lagoa’s services, or you) and only for a limited period of time. So it's >> quite clear what we do. >> >> In other words, we need this clause to operate our service. We give some >> free storage and some free rendering, and the only way that we plan to use >> the content (created by our community) is to help the community itself to >> grow. There are no hidden intentions here and we respect people's privacy. >> >> In fact we have some real costumers doing real work in the system – it's >> been awhile. So it's not like this is a new attempt. It's something proven >> to work and for some really large companies. >> >> I hope that clarifies everything. >> >> thanks, >> >> -Thiago >> >> >> On 3 April 2013 17:38, Xavier Lapointe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would think it's worth clarifying, because some people seems to be >>> interpreting the wrong way what it actually is. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alan Fregtman >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so >>>> they can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the >>>> web view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording, >>>> but they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance >>>> also.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from >>>>> what you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q : >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they >>>>>> could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with >>>>>> the back-end. >>>>>> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission >>>>>> any of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but >>>>>> the >>>>>> gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording >>>>>> on >>>>>> the fact they have rights on the information you provide. >>>>>> >>>>>> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form >>>>>> with that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The >>>>>> former is impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter >>>>>> can >>>>>> plant a sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're >>>>>> contracting. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> More specifically this paragraph: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up, >>>>>>> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and >>>>>>> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the >>>>>>> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not >>>>>>> use the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have >>>>>>> agreed to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, >>>>>>> that the license to any Renderings you have created until such time as >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have paid Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely >>>>>>> sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the >>>>>>> purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the artist thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date >>>>>>> that is six (6) months after the expiration or termination of your >>>>>>> subscription to the Services. You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free >>>>>>> basis, to use and exploit any aggregated data regarding your use of the >>>>>>> Services along with aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the >>>>>>> Services, so long as such use does not identify You. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship >>>>>> it and let them flee like the dogs they are! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Xavier >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Xavier >>> >> >> > > > -- > Xavier >
