Oh, and agreeing that support for keyboard shorcuts and searching is the one important thing that should have been retained, and that they did retain :)
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Raffaele Fragapane < [email protected]> wrote: > Nope, I'm arguing that the argument the start menu has always been > unusable on account of stuff ending up all over the place is flawed, as the > start menu has always been both organizable, and efficiently searchable :) > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau <[email protected]>wrote: > >> that type-to-search and keyboard support is the same in windows 8 on the >> metro screen, are you arguing it's gone? >> Le 2013-05-05 20:06, "Raffaele Fragapane" <[email protected]> >> a écrit : >> >> I might be missing something here, but my start menu in both Linux and >>> Windows is serviced by two amazing modern pieces of tech: >>> 1) I can create and organize folders and links inside them >>> 2) When they come up I can right away start typing the name of something >>> and it will instantly offer, and consequently update, filtered results as I >>> type. >>> >>> As someone with a respectable typing speed and keyboard dexterity, I >>> normally get anywhere I want within two seconds top by ctrl+esc, typing >>> what I know will fetch me the app I want, and then hitting enter. >>> >>> The autoarranging (one should say autoscrambling), spastically coloured >>> tetris blocks with gimongous unrelated icons or retina searing white text >>> on bright green background don't quite do it for me. >>> >>> That said, Sam, I don't know where you read about all these instability >>> and driver problems, but I would reconsider. >>> Any well clued people I know using it finds it responsive, stable, and >>> generally a well polished product, with only the UI being non-sensical >>> without a touch device. >>> >>> Given touch sensitive monitors will no doubt become the standard even >>> for desk-bound products at some point, I can't say it's a bad move on MS' >>> end, just they should have found a better large surface alternative when >>> they run that UI on monitors 22" and up, but you can always switch it to a >>> more familiar mode if you really can't deal with it. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> the start menu has always been unusable, imho - you never know under >>>> which folder things will be hidding (company name, product name, suite >>>> name, random other name), there is too much crap in there and it got even >>>> less usable with XP auto hiding. this is just legacy stuff, crap we learn >>>> to be expert at using. what's important is that Microsoft still supports >>>> keyboard shortcuts and search >>>> Le 2013-05-05 14:04, "Sam" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>> >>>> People have good reason to hate windows 8. Because the metro cell phone >>>>> menu is useless on a desktop PC. Windows 8 is even more than Vista, in >>>>> fact >>>>> more people are still using Vista than are using windows 8. I spent about >>>>> a >>>>> week with windows 8 and it’s really the most terrible UI I’ve ever used. I >>>>> can’t see how anyone would think a grid of multi-sized (horridly colored) >>>>> cubes that takes up your whole screen is easier to search than an >>>>> alphabetized text list (with related items grouped in folders) that only >>>>> takes up a small portion of your screen. **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft should have known better than to do this because it’s >>>>> obvious that people do not like the metro interface. All you have to do is >>>>> look at their cell phone market share. They tried to make their cell phone >>>>> interface more popular by sticking it on their new OS, but instead, they >>>>> made their new OS as popular as their cell phones… **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Not even going to get into the other problems, like compatibility, the >>>>> apps interface and the driver problems I’ve read about. This is one place >>>>> where they really should have copied apple. On a mac you can completely >>>>> ignore all the cell phone crap they added.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rob Wuijster >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:27 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Aw: RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors*** >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Me neither, but apparently new stuff in Windows always leads to very >>>>> extreme opinions. >>>>> >>>>> Just look at Win8 and the 'removal' of the start menu. Some people >>>>> will almost go into cardiac arrest just talking about it. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Rob**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> \/-------------\/----------------\/**** >>>>> >>>>> On 4-5-2013 0:13, Sam wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> I never understood all the hate for Aero. **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>>>> *On Behalf Of *Rob Wuijster >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 6:29 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Aw: RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors*** >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Most apps rely on the default behavior of Windows itself. >>>>> So by turning off Aero, you may introduce unwanted behavior in an >>>>> app..... ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Rob**** >>>>> >>>>> \/-------------\/----------------\/**** >>>>> >>>>> On 3-5-2013 15:22, Leo Quensel wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> I have the same problem all the time. I hate Aero and don't want it. >>>>> Why should we have to switch it on to prevent bugs from happening?**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Leo**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Mai 2013 um 15:03 Uhr >>>>> *Von:* "Sean Donnelly" >>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >>>>> *An:* "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >>>>> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors**** >>>>> >>>>> Do you have Window Aero turned on? It should be. >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [ >>>>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>>>> On Behalf Of Dan Yargici >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:43 AM >>>>> To: Morten Bartholdy; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Graphics update problem in animation editors >>>>> >>>>> I get it all the time in the Render Tree and ICE Tree, it can be >>>>> really infuriating. >>>>> >>>>> DAN >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am experiencing an annoying problem with lacking update in animation >>>>> editors and other curve editors. I can select (tag) a key and it will not >>>>> show the tagged point - I have to move or resize the window to force an >>>>> update. Sometimes only part of the window updates until I move or resize, >>>>> making it difficult to work with any type of curve editor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am on Soft 2013 SP1 Win7 x64, Geforce GTX 570 driver version 311.06. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am guessing this is not a bug, merely a driver issue, so I am >>>>> curious to know if others have experienced something similar and if not, >>>>> which version drivers you use? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Morten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/02/13**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6295 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/03/13**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >>> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >>> >> > > > -- > Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it > and let them flee like the dogs they are! > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
